EVE General Discussion

Perhaps the way to go would be to remove LP from high sec missions. It would end the blitzing, the bad pilots wouldnt see any change in their ticks and low sec would get a nice buff without injecting any more isk into the system. Null would also become a more viable place to be.

LP takes isk out of the system, raw bounties don't, and LP ultimately offers implants and faction items to people, many of whom probably buy them direct. ie if I'm fully blitzing, I hardly earn isk at all, and I have to put the whole lot into the store and tags to extract the value. When its all said and done a blitzers isk winds up nearly all being secondhand to begin with (which is good game design).

I also do not think there is anything fundamentally wrong with 60m/hr. its like 3 hours to grind up and fit a dominix in this day and age. The market will simply not stand everybody discovering the 3.3k conversion items, just as the market self limits escalation items value from anomolies.

Unfortunately what the market will stand a lot of people doing is extracting 100+ m/hr from incursions, but they also have a contested feature to limit that.

In all honesty the simplest fix CCP needs to do is make people want to fly and pimp self repping battleships, and it seems they've got the message with marauders. Many marauders full of a and x-types then value shifts to escalations from LP.

They could also think about adding a few more items to the escalation/ded loot tables since they've gone and added truckloads of LP sources in the last years.

Well we would have to be nerfing high sec incursions more anyway. These things should never have been put into high sec.

Unfortunately they don't seem to have much in the way of understanding when it comes to MMO economics.... I doubt they will have any even if you write and illustrate a picture book explaining it in slow easy detail.

If anything bounties, both from highsec missions and null anomaly rats should be scaled down quite a bit. Especially null rats which are pretty much on tap and in endless supply of 1.5 - 2 million, they even come in no frig varieties out there for added ease and safety, oh and no agent standings or mission rejections included to slow the isk milking down.

Sorry I didn't read the entire thread, how would we do this?

I think more difficult missions and rats could be interesting. Give them sleeper type ai.. anything to mix it up. (smart change is always good in a game, people like new things)

But if the idea is to inherently increase the risk of player versus player opposition even in high security space, that's a mixture for failure. You will see subs drop.

As has been said 1,000 times in this thread, it's all about the RISK levels not the ISK levels. Always has been, always will be. If people see a system they can't comfortably farm as a hobby, you will lose subs.

If they need to go to low sec, if they have war dec mechanics they can't duck out of, etc etc etc...

I don't expect everyone to be able to relate to it, but I've known many of these people in eve. I'm not sure how they can do the same missions over and over and over and over and over again, but that's what they come to Eve for, that's what they pay their sub money for and if you take that away, we'll lose those people and their money. In game balance and economics be damned. And there are a shockingly large group of them, (you would know better than I just how much of the pie is made up of these players.)

Is a shoot yourself in the foot move

Of course, Sansha's zealots would have to go convince and take millions of people for their plans... in completely empty and uninhabitated space!

Maybe, maybe not. If the "l33t" mission runners start tearing through level 3s, then the isk/LP rewards per mission might nosedive since the mission system takes average completion time into account. (This assumes that the professionals aren't running level 3s currently.)

Also, in my case, the seeding of level 3 agents was pretty limited and rather odd for the LP store that I wanted.

Finally, the Ishtar's drone range bonus is the new HML in that it allows a cruiser sized weapon (Ishtar sentries) to have battleship like ranges. So YMMV with other ships, and I wouldn't be surprised if the range bonus gets nerfed.

No it does not. Nerfs outside of high sec affect the game more because people making isk out of high sec tend to use their money for ships that blow up. Nerf outside of high sec then to send people back to high sec (like the anom nerf), where they are statistically less likely to lose a ship, and this hurts the eve economy.

What does it matter if solo pve-only high sec players wallet growth slows down? What's important is that the people fighting wars keep being able to fight wars.
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Said that, L5 missions moved to low sec are an hi sec only nerf.[/quote]

Fixing a bug is never a nerf, period. It's the fault of the players who exploited the bug that they lost out, not ccp. CCPs only fault is allowing the situation to go on for 3 years.

Yes.

The agents were always in low sec but it was possible to get the missions to happen in a high sec system next to low sec.

No, what it has to do with is the fact that the goons and the goon mascot advocating this change are cowardly hypocrites. It's still entirely possible to earn 150m+ per hour in null in raw isk with no conversion needed, but they stopped using that setup because pointing frigates in forsaken hubs added some risk to it (for periods of 30 seconds before they died).

They still have intel channels showing the area for light years around, but as long as there's the slightest chance of a wormhole opening in system and a neut appearing they're just as risk averse as the average high seccer.

The new official goon recommended ratting method is to use afk drone boats that are cheap and easily replaceable, since they're too hypocritically risk averse to use anything more as long as there's the slightest chance they might die.