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Kill All Douchebags Movement

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-09-09 08:24:58 UTC
I support kill all douche bags day... starting with OP
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2013-09-09 09:25:04 UTC
OP: The very core concept of EVE is to put as much of the game as possible, into the players' hands, from manufacturing to market, to vengeance itself.

Null-sec farming systems are being made reasonnably safer than high-sec because they're in the hands of other players, feeding intel channels, setting up gate-camps to reduce migrating flux and so on, but even then, there are counters and the players' feeling of security can sometimes bite them in the arse if they get too complacent, but then, they can only blame themselves.

So, now you want to put a system in place, that would put "retribution/vengeance" in the hands of an automated system. In different words, you want CCP to get rid of all the code they wrote to re-implement Crimewatch and leave the players out of the process. Because, if DED starts cleaning high-sec of all -5 and below, then why not go the whole way and make that safety button on the hud into a permanent green in high, orange in low and red in null, that way there's no need to actually have DED beating up those pesky pirates, they wouldn't even be able to do anything remotely criminal in high-sec, then all the players can happily mine and run missions in high-sec without fears of losing their precious ships.

Oh wait... why would anyone mine or mission or rat outside high-sec then?

I doubt you'll grasp the problem, so camped on your own beliefs as you are, but that would completely overhaul EVE into an entirely different game and drive most people actually playing it away while catering to a totally different player base, in turn driving the whole economy of EVE into the ground.

There's probably many more consequences I didn't even foresee, but please, by all means, tell us how nice it would be to play EVE that way.

Or... take the matter in your own hands, start a player movement of pirates hunters and blow up those pesky gankers, play the game how it's supposed to be played.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Gaidin Hollow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-09-09 11:41:02 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:


Oh wait... why would anyone mine or mission or rat outside high-sec then?




After basically maxing out most of my mining skills I feel like a giant mining beach pepples and the grave sites are a joke. My ratter one shoots anything and I'm actually looking forward to the fool trying to cause trouble to my miner and I can almost see him making a mess on his chair. When I uncloak my Sin.

Once we are able to go back to null I'll be much happier I enjoyed roams as much as mining. I can go on but I just want to relate where I am coming from and why I would never prefer high-sec. Not what the discussion is about. I hope that answers your question. Personally I'm hating high sec.



Sin Pew wrote:


I doubt you'll grasp the problem, so camped on your own beliefs as you are, but that would completely overhaul EVE into an entirely different game and drive most people actually playing it away while catering to a totally different player base, in turn driving the whole economy of EVE into the ground.


Have you read past the 1st idea or the other replies, I am not camped on anything. A healthy dialog has pros and cons or even ideas no one thought about yet. How could we increase punishment for repeat offenders, the worst of the worst and make the game interesting at the same time, hell even more fun. Trust me I am not camped but to say there is no way possible is not only camped but boxed. You may want to read all post.

It really isn't your fault advance gamers such as yourself have a hard time gauging the feel of subjects such as a simple discussion. Your brain is injured but sad thing is most gamers don't even know that. Anyone interested in that subject let me know I'll past references.

If you can see the wit of this game creates less gray matter in the brain, then you can understand why your brain does not function on a social scale.

Another dim light.
Gaidin Hollow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-09-09 11:43:07 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
I support kill all douche bags day... starting with OP



How do we not know your my main and just trying to toss people off my trail>?
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#65 - 2013-09-09 12:24:19 UTC
Gaidin Hollow wrote:
Dark 0verlord wrote:
So leet criminals should be killed and bad noobs should farm in peace? Go play World of Warcraft. You would like it.



Nope just want to add realism. Every one says oh lets make Eve real, but exploiting noobs or system mechanics is not making it real. Lets have real punishment for real crime.

Funny everyone always says WoW but not hundred of other games that make more grey matter then this game figures.


Lets talk about realism . . .

Eve Realism: Concord wouldn't be able to insta-scram-web-neut-nos-ecm-omgwtfpwn any ships as soon as they show up, because realistically they would be on par with capsuler ships. I don't know about you but a sec status loss, ship loss, and GCC is a pretty bad penalty for shooting one person in high sec. Perhaps you don't know about the logistics it takes to get ganking ships to a system in bulk. Not to mention the fact that local shows flashy reds which means you should either dock up and wait or continue carebearing in another system.

Real life Realism: I could kill someone in real life and until anyone who cares about that person notices that they have been killed the police wouldn't know, which could be days upon weeks upon months. Nothing like the 5 seconds (depending on system sec) it takes for concord to show up.

With the way you are perceiving yourself on this thread it almost makes it sounds like you don't like Eve.
Let me blow your mind: If you don't like a game . . . don't play it.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#66 - 2013-09-09 12:54:33 UTC
One of the things I've always loved about EVE is that it's more player driven than any other MMO out there. I'm pretty much against any idea that involves NPC's taking away from that. Increasing the power of the automated cops I thin would detract from the player driven aspect of the game. Every time I fly by a CONCORD billboard and see the faces of people who frequent C&P I'm reminded that the actions of the players in this game DO matter. After grinding for years on EQ, and dabbling a bit with WoW and E&B I really appreciate this. We have our most wanted, we have legendary villains... our Billy The Kid's and Jesse James'... I wouldn't want that to go away. These people give novice bounty hunters and pirate hunters long term goals to strive for. Scammers, griefers, terrorists and pirates... without this powerful aspect of the game I think EVE would risk falling into anonymity. The very thing that drives many people away from this game is actually one of the key things that keeps it alive IMO, because those who thrive in this environment are fiercely dedicated to it.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2013-09-09 13:09:14 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
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+one thousand thousand.

D.

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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#68 - 2013-09-09 13:22:58 UTC
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VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#69 - 2013-09-09 15:13:06 UTC
If you enjoy Planetary Interaction, then you should really enjoy this thread.

/unsubbed

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-09-09 15:42:47 UTC
OP, just to let you know, this IS a PVP game. You "Flag" for PVP in EvE when you press "Undock". Hisec isnt meant to be safe... just more safe than the other areas. A PVP free zone would destroy this game. Thats one of the things that set this game apart from the MMO trough of endless garbage for me.. that you can do what you want. If I want to be a goody two shoes, I can. If I want to be a belligerent asshat, I can do that too.

I personally think you should be able to escape CONCORD if your fast enough. Like many have pointed out, criminals arent always caught.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-09-09 16:24:11 UTC
Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys....

Guys!


I have this plan, to do away with grie-

Guys, Guys, Guys, Guys....

Cmon!


/starting a white knight movement with a thread in C&P

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.

Gaidin Hollow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-09-09 21:38:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaidin Hollow
ISD Tyrozan wrote:
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NM you removed another OP post. your not talking about content :).
Tandros Kreel
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2013-09-09 21:48:36 UTC
OP is an idiot.
Tim Sebo
Doomheim
#74 - 2013-09-09 23:13:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Sebo
Gaidin Hollow wrote:

High sec tears


This is far into the future, broseph. Your ideas about whats "real" IN SPACE isn't what CCP had in mind. This isn't the United States of Throw Everyone In Jail Space Online.

~deal with it~ or go play WoW.

PS: Since you are what you're preaching against, does that mean you should pod yourself and quit Eve?
Donovan Draknevov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-09-09 23:25:08 UTC
Tim Sebo wrote:
This isn't the United States of Throw Everyone In Jail Space Online.

Sounds like a MMO version of 'Papers, Please'... at least when I play it Twisted

I honestly do wonder, though, if folk have read the entire topic before replying to it... but eh. *shrugs* I think that the complaint-about-OP tears are just as tasty as the normal brand.

Trust in the Rust

Gaidin Hollow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-09-09 23:52:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaidin Hollow
Donovan Draknevov wrote:
Tim Sebo wrote:
This isn't the United States of Throw Everyone In Jail Space Online.

Sounds like a MMO version of 'Papers, Please'... at least when I play it Twisted

I honestly do wonder, though, if folk have read the entire topic before replying to it... but eh. *shrugs* I think that the complaint-about-OP tears are just as tasty as the normal brand.



Nah but I thank those that have. Sooo.. are you saying I'm tasty, well I did place my self on the grill "coming to CnP to start a white knight movement"- is how they are putting it.

But honestly you are the ones who would know how to make your own punishment entertaining while offering a measure of balance.
Gaidin Hollow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-09-10 01:01:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaidin Hollow
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
Gaidin Hollow wrote:
Dark 0verlord wrote:
So leet criminals should be killed and bad noobs should farm in peace? Go play World of Warcraft. You would like it.



Nope just want to add realism. Every one says oh lets make Eve real, but exploiting noobs or system mechanics is not making it real. Lets have real punishment for real crime.

Funny everyone always says WoW but not hundred of other games that make more grey matter then this game figures.


Lets talk about realism . . .

Eve Realism: Concord wouldn't be able to insta-scram-web-neut-nos-ecm-omgwtfpwn any ships as soon as they show up, because realistically they would be on par with capsuler ships. I don't know about you but a sec status loss, ship loss, and GCC is a pretty bad penalty for shooting one person in high sec. Perhaps you don't know about the logistics it takes to get ganking ships to a system in bulk. Not to mention the fact that local shows flashy reds which means you should either dock up and wait or continue carebearing in another system.

Real life Realism: I could kill someone in real life and until anyone who cares about that person notices that they have been killed the police wouldn't know, which could be days upon weeks upon months. Nothing like the 5 seconds (depending on system sec) it takes for concord to show up.

With the way you are perceiving yourself on this thread it almost makes it sounds like you don't like Eve.
Let me blow your mind: If you don't like a game . . . don't play it.



You are right to a point, not sure if you read more of the posts or not. I did concede my ideas where not all together right and I wanted a dialog. I thank you for you input your second person who brought up the amount of logistics it takes to carry out profitable pirate actions. I would not want my ideas to effect pirates as others have brought up. I consider douchebags less then pirates, worst of the worst ect..

I will summarize my response to all feedback and hopefully achieve a small measure of a paradigm shift among my fellow players if anyone cares enough to read. Sometime tonight or tomorrow. I'll keep it short, I have enough ammo to fire back now.
I should not have to repeat myself but I do I love playing Eve and I like the PvP stuff, danger, and excitement of it all.
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2013-09-10 03:48:04 UTC
Gaidin Hollow wrote:
Dark 0verlord wrote:
So leet criminals should be killed and bad noobs should farm in peace? Go play World of Warcraft. You would like it.



Nope just want to add realism. Every one says oh lets make Eve real, but exploiting noobs or system mechanics is not making it real. Lets have real punishment for real crime.

Funny everyone always says WoW but not hundred of other games that make more grey matter then this game figures.


Actually exploiting noobs and system mechanics IS how the world works. Here are some points:


  • Exploiting noobs. Direct correlations to real world, just look at capitalism at work. Nobody does anything in the real world and neither does CCP do anything. Working as intended it seems.

  • Killing and destruction of property in the western world will earn you what amounts to a slap on the wrist. Few years in jail vs loss of sec and kill rights and concordokkkkkkkkened. Looks to me EvE actually has a more severe punishment if you think about it.

  • Exploiting system mechanics. This would be some fraud or any kind of significant breach of rules or contract on like a state level. Ponzi-schemes for example. Everyone caught has gone away for a long time and also in game CCP will ban you. I see a correlation.


Does eve seem real now?
Also locked away in a space prison in a wormhole... Hmm a lot of bad plots come to mind: Man of steel, The one, those other 3 terrible things I wish I didn't watch but least forgot the name of. Did you watch these lately?
Gaidin Hollow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2013-09-11 07:22:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaidin Hollow
Ok some people liked the ideas most hated them on C n P. But you have to take into consideration the target audience as many have mention.

While suicide gankers is a good example to use because some are douche bags not all, like someone said you can't walk around with your pants down and not expect a reaction. In truth people do that all the time in real life I see woman wear pantyhose up their cracks and walk around in the open leaving nothing to the imagination. They do expect the law to send to jail their rapist.
If I wore a Royalace watch in a shady back alley and placed where everyone can see, well can't say I did not have that coming right, but those same people expect the law to do something.

Lets face most gankers would hate the idea of jail space why force them to PvP with each other, I mean HOW DARE THEY TAKE AWAY MY FREEDOM AND FORCE ME TO DO SOMETHING I DON'T WANT!!

Really I almost smiled each time someone mention that. While in the same breath they are forcing their ideas of the game on others by force.
Funny, the ugly truth is they just want easy ganks that are profitable or not so profitable they just want to cause trouble douchebags.

I have seen repeat ganks on cans for less then 3 mil, on different newbs coming an going from Jita, just because you can kill and run away fast enough does not mean you should but hey your just forcing your ideas on a player who may not want it, so it is OK right just a game. When someone calls for balance then most in this forum say HELL NO scared to death a DEV might actually do it.

Well how would you like it if CCP forced you criminal hand in a way you forced your victims? Well this forum thread as answered that, truth is you would not.

I know I am a hypocrite but at least I see the humor of it all.
HUGO DRAX
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-09-12 05:11:01 UTC
Space prison. Interesting.