EVE General Discussion

Because they havent run the numbers and think just like you. Its the same reason why so many think carrier ratting is better than using a CNR and why every months at least one frigate is blown up carrying plex to jita.

I live in low sec. But in the 10 years of playing this game I've literally done it all.

LP is a significantly more unstable medium. The mechanic is an isk sink and given the lack of thought put into the LP stores across eve combined with the ****ing of LP in fw that missioners would have to compete against.... it does seem like a nerf. Or certainly could be. It could be a massive one.

On it's face there shouldn't be anything wrong with shifting a slide bar from isk to lp payout... but it's eve and these things are ever so much more complex than face value.

The burden of proof is on showing that mission isk payout is itself the problem and that we aren't just seeing an inevitable outcome to the game structure itself.

People operate in balance discussions as if there is a solution... instead of realizing what is probably more likely: the nature of the game holds the real problems. Imbalance is built into it. All we (well... ccp) can do is make an adjustment here, a snip there and hope to keep it running somewhat smoothly. Is converting isk payout to lp payout the answer there? IMO, hardly, the whole LP system needs a rework before we would try that. As it stands it's just so so so flawed.

Can you get them to run off some stats please so we can settle this once and for all, much obliged for your help...

Oh by the way, they need to be peer reviewable and not subject to any bias. Thank you!

In a previous corp I was in we had competitions. A director would do an api pull and check the corp wallet the ratting taxes go into to tell who was the best carebear.

I beat ratting carriers with a pre-oddesy CNR , or a machariel, or a Paladin several times. And the carrier ratters STILL clung to the idea that sentry carriers were the end all and be all of ratting even after a couple got killed i hot drops. Goes to show that some people will deny what's right i front of them even when shown otherwise.

I'm off to bed and wont be posting until Tomorrow evening. I only mention this as Baltec might get upset if he thinks I'm not sitting at the computer all night pressing F5 to try and catch his latest post.

Do you live in nullsec to make isk?

Is that the point?

Because I assure you, in almost every case, it's the point in high sec.

Not because it's better, but because it's the safest locale for the activity. Nothing anyone ever does will change that. This is why we shouldn't be trying to balance apples and oranges.

No you haven't. Nobody can find any trace of it.


And what lies would those be?

Are you afraid we will find out that you are flying a badly fitted drake?



Ah you are afraid that you are flying a bad ship.

I gave you the mission times, the isk earned, the loyalty points earned, the loot salvaged etc, etc, etc. I've read every post in this thread and I've yet to see any facts from you even the ones you claimed you filled the thread up with when I was out and about this afternoon. [/quote]

You told us you earned 18 mil an hour. Thats it.

As for me, well if you refuse to take evidence from our wiki, EVEs wiki, battleclinic, the entire ships and mods forum, tippia's collection of in game numbers, CCP Fallout's comments, every mission guide website and several very detailed posts on mission income then quite frankly you can go scream at a wall.

CCP can easily see the numbers we are posting and in the end will side with us. Again. Because we use real facts and numbers and dont tell whopping great lies like you have just done.

We will stay here and wait a new raft of lies lol.

That is an incredibly myopic statement and you know it.

It may be simpler, it may be safer but you can't prove that the activity is better. The most simple and obvious retort to a statement that simplistic is "you're doing it wrong"

Besides, what did I say? What is the point of high sec?

There is no way to guarantee you or anyone else in null an income matching the rate of a "safe" high sec mission runner without ****ting isk all over null so much that it would break the game.

You do not have the player versus player environment in high you do in null and we can all thank the gaming gods for that. If you are somehow suggesting you should be able to make the isk in null with the ease and regularity (read guarantee) that people have in high sec you do not understand the fundamentals of this game.

You want to live full time in null but be able to farm level 4 missions all day? Is that what you're suggesting? What is your point here outside of wanting your cake and eating it too?

You aren't making any sense. There is isk to be made in null, the fact you aren't making it doesn't point out some game imbalance. It means you aren't coming out on top in the highly competitive environment that it is, which is intended and what people seek when they move to null.

Wouldn't that require a null sec buff which has been said won't happen?

Nerfing high sec will just result in high sec having less income which still means null won't have any more money so you still won't be able to afford to live there.

So which means if you are trying to live in null but have an alt in high, then you'd have less stuff from high sec to pay for stuff in null.

I mean the money supply has no effect on prices according to CCP so nerfing high won't result in lower prices for null.