EVE General Discussion

So I take it you have/had exclusive access to this guys earnings? There is no way for example he could have been selling PLEX to build his ultimate mission runner and/or fund part of it.

Also how do you know he doesn't or didn't play 16 hours a day?

It relates to your test earning you 18M/h, showing that your tests are suspect as far as representativeness goes. If all you get is 3M more than what I did back then, it suggests that you're very low-skilled, very inefficient, and/or very bad at picking and equipping a mission-running ship.

Also, you asked for my personal tests and findings, and now you complain when I provide them?

That's ok. Neither have you.

…and you have a source for this claim, I suppose?

Setting aside for a moment that there's nothing particularly über about Kefiras sample, yes, balancing the high end around the high end is a pretty good idea, because… well… that's what you're looking to balance, now isn't it?

This post:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3573396#post3573396

and this post:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3577729#post3577729

I'm going to explain this very slowly to Tippia. This is called a S T U DY the findings are called R E S U L T S.
They are F A C T S.

Todays episode was brought to you by the Number 18 and the Letter F.

Not to mention that 45 minutes a mission seems awefully slow.

Granted I haven't run a battleship in a level 4 in a couple years but I seen to remember competing on ticks. But I need a couple weeks to get an alt train to recheck. Pretty much everything but AE and maybe world's colide was a 15-20 minute affair assuming there would no blitzables in the middle.

....of course my missions boats were either a damn near full gank ndomi and a macharial depending on where I was at.

Oh dear. Here are a group of missions I ran in a *dominix - yes the t1 space potato that has to stand still and wait for its drones to finish, and since my agent almost always puts the same mission in the same place, I worked into each missions isk/hr effective, the warps, jumps and dock delay. So times and rates are dock to dock, rounded UP to the next minute.

These are at 1000 isk/lp.

Serp assault (blitz). Elapsed - 9m. rate. 79.2m/hr
Ammar smash supplier (blitz). Elapsed. 7m. rate 99.5m/hr
Angel pirate invasion (full clear). Elapsed. 17m. 57.3m/hr
Serp Extrav (clear). Elapsed - 26m. rate. 52.9m/hr
merc Stop thief (store mission items at home base in advance). Elapsed - 5. rate. 56.9m/hr
mixed dread pirate (loot implant). Elapsed - 25 rate. 93m/hr
serp/gur worlds collide (use card). Elapsed - 19. rate 61m/hr
attack of drones (clear). Elapsed - 14. rate 62m/hr
merc damsel (clear and return with noctis). elapsed 28. rate. 68m/hr
ammar surprise surprise (return with noctis). elapsed 22. rate 59m/hr.
serpentis blockade (clear) Elapsed -23. rate 78m/hr.
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mats for war (fly to station buy kernite give agent - counting kernite as a cost). Elapsed 4. rate 300m/hr

The same agent gives me 9 other missions that are in the 40m/isk - 50m/isk/hr range - namely, merc-righthand - angel unauth, blood cargo del, drones-infil, mordus headhunters (which I should use the ndomi for), angel extrav (domi not brilliant at it), serp score, mercdrone silence inf, angel smuggler intercept.

*its also a dominix, they "were" cheap, I can leave a spare with bouncers and angel tank ready to go, which avoids major futzing time between missions, ie throw cap boosters in, refill ammo yak to agent and go, 30 seconds.

The rest I can reject.

Some people claim 3000 for conversion, and I have no reason to doubt them. Someone getting 3000 for a conversion will crack 100mil/hr isk in a dominix, but its plainly clear I can beat 50m/hr with a poor conversion.

So you are assuming the average mission runner is flat terrible at missions?

I never ever used blingboats, usually a few faction mods to make a fit work and T2 guns, on the mach I would use T1 ammo because that thing blows through 10,000 rounds fast enough that I needed a second toon to run for more ammo when I got a good mission spread going.

Even then, it was a matter of jumping around between mission hubs and cherrypicking the right missions, just flay grinding through whatever you are handed isn't close to ideal.

So I guess its really a matter of what you are trying to prove, if you are trying to prove. Mr. Average who never leaves high sec SHOULD be relatively compentant at it, its ALL he does. Conversely, someone like me who would much rather being doing something else is NOT ******* around. I want max payout for least time spent, so blitzing and cashing LP as quickly as possible (markeering isn't my favorite passtime either, spreadsheets make me feel like I'm at work). Not to mention the full time missions runner is going to have rack of social skills that FURTHER increase isk payout, LP payout and standing gains.

Unfortunately it is WAY more effort that I am willing to a expend just to do the logistics to get a credible (to me) mission boat into hi-sec, much less jump clones and whatnot. I don't have any empire alts that are skilled properly to missins.

I like navy scorpion for its good tank, also i like battleships, so, I don't make too much missions recently, but could do Penumbra in it, its something about 400 M ISK per whole t2 fit and ship. not so easily ganked, not so easily destroyed in missions, good pve tank. Lvl 4 are decent but it's most part of some pvpers income. Also, making good use of lp store isn't so damaging to market and driving inflation as someone would think.

Agreed, the LP store if anything is an monetary sink due to the fact that many items cost isk as well as LP, not to mention tags that might need to be collected or bought from other people.

I have tried it, but its sooo unpredictable. I have earned 1 bil in one week, and then nothing really for one month.