EVE General Discussion

I'm supposed to take it on your good authority that "the exhumer rebalance was ******* terrible"? Given recent investigation into your supposed Fozzie reference and ulterior motives in general, that seems like a pretty bad idea.

I do understand that critical thinking can be frustrating, and I apologize for that, but I think it's a necessary evil in life.

"it's on the internet somewhere" doesn't narrow it down much; a link or title is generally the minimum requirement for a reference.

Anyone here ever play chess? Sometimes to protect a more valuable asset you have to sacrifice a lesser one. Pawn blocks knight to protect queen for example.

Using some teamwork and being willing to expend some assets to do so, you may actually be able to block a gank. Depending on what you're trying to move, sacrificing a small fleet of ewar frigs and cruisers to prevent a gank attempt from happening may still be cost effective. Yeah, it may cut into your profits for the hauling run, but your cargo stands a better chance of getting to the destination intact. Organize, scout, plan? The reason you're falling victim to these peeps is that they are doing just that.

Counter them.

Miners worried about being ganked? A lone ibis who's johnny on the spot with his derpscan can spot those nasty cats before they reach the belt and start tattooing out an SOS on the hull of a neutral barge with his trusty civilian gatling railgun. Sure, he gets to die gloriously, but the dime has been dropped and the pigs are on the way.

Of course it may or may not work, but I most surely guarantee you it wont if you dont actually bother to try.
Only YOU can prevent sudden decompression.

Yes but you can not expect more safety mining solo then you can expect to win at PvP solo or Mission solo.

More Vulnerable Alone >>>>>>>>>> Safer Group <<<<<<<<<<< Group is a Bigger Target.

And that scale goes on a bigger scale to define what is safe and a target based on what the opposition has.

Just enforces the number two rule of EVE, you can never make yourself completely safe whilst your active in space. Which is why rule one is don't fly what you can afford to lose. I love this game.

Mining solo is still very much viable. Staying alert of danger and using the tools available to help protect yourself make it moreso. It's never going to be 'safe', however. The reason I suggested having support is that while you can indulge in many solo activities, it's still a multiplayer game... and oftentimes these nasty violences are a result of groups of people coordinating to do harm. If they can coordinate to cause mayhem, doing so to prevent mayhem isn't a bad idea. I personally operate solo most of the time, but I cannot expect the universe around me to conform to my playstyle. I'm well aware that I'm operating on a battlefield and try to keep aware of what's going on around me. Having helpful friends you can rely on may seem like a luxury, but it seems to me it would be one worth investing in.

Edit: I do recall reading about a very very shiny mission battleship getting ganked just yesterday I believe.

Just to make that clear: I'm not argumenting for mining to become saver here, I'm just argumenting against making mining more dangerous again, just because suicide ganking isn't a viable form of income enymore... the last time I checked, mining was a base gameplay feature (...way of plaing the game ...lack of better expression), SGing was not...

I didn't say it wasn't, all I'm saying that some forms of gameplay are more valid then others... you can choose to fly L5 missions in an Ibis, that doesn't mean you will succeed, no?

Mining in highsec is no more dangerous than running missions, if the miners use appropriate fits, use the standings mechanic to highlight known groups and individual gankers in local, look at the overview occasionally and don't AFK.

Most of the miners that feature on killboards have at best fitted a cursory tank such as a SSB, at worst none at all. A lot of them also seem to think mining consists of warp in, target a roid, hit the strip miners and then tab out or go and do something else until they hear "the asteroid is depleted", and then repeat the process until the ore hold is full.

The ganking of mission runners does happen, Suddenly Ninjas used to specialise in baiting mission runners into fights they couldn't win. The safety catch stopped it to a certain extent, but they still die. Alpha strikes on Tengus at mission hubs etc still happen, and then you get fools like this.

You ever mined solo for any extended period of time? Most likely not... it's a fact that the only way one can mine in any meaningful capacity is exactly the way you describe... I also don't concider that afk-mining. It maybe CCPs fault that they never came up with a more engaging mechanic (looking at the new, pinata type archeology/hacking, that's maybe a good thing) but yea, that's the system that is in place, and we have to live with it.

I have. It's mind numbing, soul crushing boredom incarnate. It was better in a group because at least you had someone to chat with. Now, when I have to mine I try not to chainsmoke as I check out everyone in local in between dscans. Of course I also mine in systems that border on low sec, so it's not paranoia to be checking my six on a regular basis. What I do not do is tab out or walk away regardless of how dull it gets. If I'm going to get popped I want to be there when it happens.