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Lol. Anomalies and missions are completely different. Do highsec missions pay less than null sec missions? Do high sec anomalies pay more than nullsec anomalies?

If the answer is no there isn't an issue.

Yes it is.

Null anoms are what we get instead of missions in almost all of null. They are to us what missions are to high sec.

Both are the primary form of earning isk and thus, need to be balanced against each other.

It is now.

Perhaps the past year skipped you by but CCP is on a mission to fix the many balance issues in this game and high sec income is on that list. They have already done ice and exploration.

lvl4 missions paying too much? If they weren't mindbogglingly boring and gag inducing - sure. But when they are just as entertaining as banging a head against the wall, the pay off should be worth it.

If they are to nerf mission payout, it should be balanced vs the entertainment factor, because if this so called "activity" is nerfed at all, it is waste of time.

This.

You can make hi sec pay dirt and the players will just put up with it.

You can give hi sec as much risk as low sec and the players will just find a new game.

The only way you are going to see a flux of people relocate to null is if null becomes just an extension of hi. I think that many people who play in hi are people who either don't have much time to play or simply don't care for pvp (in many cases both). Miners that just want to log in and warp strait from station to belt, mine and then return. Mission runners who want to just accept the mission, warp straight there, complete it, and then warp straight back.

These people don't want to have to be constantly looking over their shoulders. They don't want to be constantly monitoring local. They don't want have to deal with 6 'warp from dock' book marks. Another 6 'view warp gate from safe distance' book marks. They don't want to have to take indirect routes to get from the dock to the gate either just to avoid being pulled out of warp.

Ganking? Sure, it's going to happen. It happens in both null and hi.

You really want to see null become more active? For there to be an infrastructure that rivals hi sec? To have availability of parts/ships at prices comparable to hi? There is one thing people would have to be willing to do and one things CCP would have to do.

The one thing players can do is to not gank people who are obviously pure industrialists.

The one thing CCP can do is allow those who have sov over a system to be able to enforce a minimum 'safety level' on the ships that enter.

If the industrialists can do their thing with the same level of safety in null as they can in hi, I think they would be more than happy to move there and sell their product to the local population. Get enough there and then you get competitive pricing.

As for mission runners, I think they too would eventually move out there once they skill up enough to be able to handle the rats out there.

If you want people in Nullsec there are a few issues.

#1: Logistics. Its a royal pain in the ass to move things to and fro. Paying someone to do it is an option technically but is it an option people feel satisfied in using? No, in most cases. There is no guarantee any invite to nullsec will turn out to be worth the trouble or cost.

#2: Sovereignty of the individual. The thought of paying to play a game and living under the rule of people you may or may not like with likely no chance of ever being able to rise in rank to the level of control or ability to affect that controlling entities agenda is about as alluring as chomping into a excrement sandwich.

#3: Profit Sharing. There is no culture of where joining an alliance nets you great wealth. Sure, you can go and farm wealth in the regions the alliance controls but it comes at the cost of great risk to your own personal wealth. Yes replacement programs exist for ship losses, few cover anything your typical HISEC mission runner would want to fly. I know I can kill battleships with frigates but what if I just don't want to?

#4: Stress. Every time someone logs in they may not be up for playing with the protocols that are required to operate in nullsec. This is often replicated in hisec when you begin pimping out your ships but in nullsec it's like this for every ship.

#5: Self-Interest. Why would I want to join your alliance? I'd rather run my own!

Now, if you want people in nullsec there is one solution. And that is to remove local intel. You won't often get more people in the alliances currently established but you will get more there to visit. Without that option you can go beyond lowering the wealth generation of level 4s, hell remove them from game and leave just level 1s in hisec. None of any significant number are going to suddenly forget about the 5 reasons I just mentioned.

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If you eliminate the problem, there's no need for a solution, e.g. solving world hunger is hard, but if you nerve gas the entire planet, world hunger is no longer a problem, thus no solution is required.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/9115

So if we get rid of PLEX, the problem of which activity pays too much or too little ISK is no longer a problem that needs to be solved.

CCP has said 80/20 high sec to null sec