Market Discussions

Not yet, as the hype is still working well and the spike isn’t reach yet.

I also see no reason for an imminent price crash. I don’t know from where in my post this could be extracted. What I do daub is a sustained high Price elevation, this based on the remaining 92% of the target resource. Sooner or later the prices will slow down gradually once these resources, rather neglected till now, will come in focus to be attractive enough to feed the market. It’s just hurting not enough but it will come.

11 BI Ice belts partially shoot down compared to a 170 TBI available with a higher OI yield than BI really can’t create a shortage on the long term.

On the end, the attempt to minimize bots will be contra productive in its effect, as booting will rise in those areas out of reach to the Ice indictors. From my observations I even dare to state you can run a bot in the Gallanten Ice fields much saver now than ever before once you’ve paid the requested 250mil fee.

Make the rest of your post seem like a shining beacon of insight.

A feasible, but also a "so what" prediction.

Most of the large sell orders on market are Goon orders (rather obvious, since the regional prices and expiration dates on the sell orders are identical - in fact, it looks like a market bot at work... hmm...). Buying from your own sell orders at a higher price, just to tweak up the graph, is an old market manipulation trick.

Unless the sold/bought quantities resume to pre-interdiction levels, the price alone really means very little.

A more interesting speculation is whether or not the Goons are going to buy up all oxytopes which are sold under their target price. If the Goons buy up the competitors' oxytopes, then they are putting ISK into the miners' pockets, which just encourages them to continue mining Gallente ice (since the larger profit margin offsets the ship loss cost, esp. for fully-insurable T1 mining barges). If they don't buy them up, then the undercutting sell orders will keep pushing the price back down again.

We've killed over 2,000 barges/exhumers since this began. Just sayin'.

Yeah, I know. And, I applaud the effort.

But, you gotta realize that most of the large ice fleets are bots, which don't really care if they get blown up or not. Odd that you often fail to get any response in local to a gank and the pod just hangs around the wreck doing nothing, isn't it? You just can't squeeze many tears from a macro. As for the players running the bots, as long as they are still making AFK profit, they don't care much either. The interdiction of Gallente ice just means that some of them moved their operation to harvest Amarr, Minmatar or Caldari ice, while others just switched to mining asteroids. There are actually very few "real" players who play Eve just to mine ice - it simply isn't very fun nor as profitable as other semi-AFK activities.

As for the very, very few, masochistic, last-hold-out, "real" ice miners who are still trying to mine Gallente ice... well, I talked to some of them, out of curiousity. It seems that they are having a lot of fun trying to figure out how to beat the Goons at this game, rather than take the easy way out and go mine something else, somewhere else. They are the ones you see switching to insurable T1 mining barges, attempting to tank with logi ships, willing to exchange smack talk in local, etc. But, count them for yourself, there are nowhere even close to a thousand such ice miner players running around the Gallente ice fields. Never were.

As for the industrialists, most have really not been affected by the interdiction. First off, not everyone uses Gallente/Serpentis towers - Caldari towers are more popular for research lab work, and Minnie towers are preferred if the POS is likely to be attacked - and the Gallente tower silo bonus, while considered useful, is not absolutely essential. Second, because of the time and investment required to do various POS-related industry, industrial corps plan to run their towers for months/years, and typically have 3-6 months worth of stockpiled POS fuel in nearby stations. And, thirdly, even for the corps which are running short on oxytopes, given that each tower will be running for a minimum of several months, spending a couple of hours to swap it out for a dfferent racial tower, in order to save on fuel cost, is not really considered much of a hassle.

In fact, my industrial corp is actually pretty happy with the Goon interdiction. We swapped out our Gallente towers, sold off our oxytope stockpile at the spiked prices, bought up 2x as much cheap 'topes for our new towers, and cleared a very tidy profit for a few hours of work.

So, who exactly are these thousands who have been suffering? The Goon grunts who get the oh-so-much-fun job of camping high sec ice systems? lol....

del

Let's ask the owners of those ships, shall we?

Oh, I almost forgot, gallente JF and rorquals.

They're finally able to mine something which is more valuable than veldspar?

after i got my Thanny i bought some amount of fuel. It's like 100-200k of isotopes.... Still using this amount....

then i will buy it from our miners. Or mine by myself... Just for fun.
don't worry: ISKies will not leave this corp

i think i will need more fuel in like 3-4 months.....