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Has it become impossible to recruit?
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WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2011-11-14 14:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
Eve has grown quite a lot in the past 5 years, and the number of corps and alliances have grown exponentially, where there are litterly thousands of them and hundreds of alliances. There are so many corps/alliances doing the same thing, that to be honest even offering 0.0 space, even free ships doesnt work. It seems the the only stuff people are mainly interested in is 0.0 sov, however not just any 0.0 sov holder, you have to be a blot on the influence map! If you are not on there then you not really considered. The recruitment forums and channels are so saturated that in fact unless your like above then in order to get a decent corp together its nigh on impossible. You can dress up your recruitment posts, give the world, make in niche, dont matter. As the word says you cant even give it away.
Even complete noobies are drawn in by either Eve Uni or Goons.
The ingame recruitment thingy is just a waste of time, wonder if anyone has ever really effectively recruited from it.
Has it just now become for the normal players, corps are just based on a few friends, is that tune CCP rings about making megacorps in the trailers, not really true! anymore and infact opportunities are in fact limited not limitless.
Boadicea Wales
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-11-14 14:35:53 UTC
The problem as i see it is that EVE has become to predictable. In eight years you'll have used up most of the players wanting to play eve in a long term commited way.

I have played EVE for a long time off and on, I have started many new accounts skilled them, then got bored again and left only to return some months later to start all over again. I have to say with each incarnation the game has had less and less appeal for me. The thought of joining a proper player corp is far less appealing as I have kind of been there and done that. So I use EVE just to fill some time between my fave TV shows.

It is just a question of how much you want to commit to a game, may be the player base is of a more fly by night nature now.
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2011-11-14 14:40:26 UTC
Boadicea Wales wrote:
The problem as i see it is that EVE has become to predictable. In eight years you'll have used up most of the players wanting to play eve in a long term commited way.

I have played EVE for a long time off and on, I have started many new accounts skilled them, then got bored again and left only to return some months later to start all over again. I have to say with each incarnation the game has had less and less appeal for me. The thought of joining a proper player corp is far less appealing as I have kind of been there and done that. So I use EVE just to fill some time between my fave TV shows.

It is just a question of how much you want to commit to a game, may be the player base is of a more fly by night nature now.


Interesting post m8, I have to admit, I dont enjoy eve as much as used to, mainly because of the points you stated. its not exciting anymore. Been there done that. I remember thinking wow im in 0.0, only to find it wasnt that great after all. Get my first cruiser, aweing at all the new ships i could have etc etc. But now there is nothing more to excite me. Maybe as you say people thing the same way now, and that being in a corp isnt what people want, rather they create a corp themselves to be able to do other stuff in the game.
StukaBee
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-11-14 14:45:15 UTC
Its difficult to recruit if your corp has nothing distinct or attractive that would make people want to join.

"hey guys we're just a friendly bunch of players who do things sometimes" isn't going to cut it when there's a thousand other corps out there who say exactly the same.
Amsterdam Conversations
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-11-14 14:47:51 UTC
If you want to recruit people, stop asking for pathetic things like full API.

Literally 90% of corps of bad alliances ask for full APIs, because they're scared to hell of spies (you know, spies don't get your fleet killed, bad FCs and fleet members do). No good recruit is gonna give away all his personal information and probably his ways of making ISK just to get into a bad corp of a bad alliance.

I mean, I have more success getting into "famous" alliances without API keys at all, while most rather bad alliances won't even let me in without full API.
Diosas
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-11-14 14:54:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Diosas
StukaBee wrote:
Its difficult to recruit if your corp has nothing distinct or attractive that would make people want to join.

"hey guys we're just a friendly bunch of players who do things sometimes" isn't going to cut it when there's a thousand other corps out there who say exactly the same.


thats the issue, thousands of other corps, offering the same thing pretty much, there is only so much any corp can do. Pvp, low sec, 0.0, mining, whatever. I think the op stated, you can offer everything and anything even free stuff and it makes no difference.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-14 15:03:28 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
Eve has grown quite a lot in the past 5 years, and the number of corps and alliances have grown exponentially, where there are litterly thousands of them and hundreds of alliances. There are so many corps/alliances doing the same thing, that to be honest even offering 0.0 space, even free ships doesnt work. It seems the the only stuff people are mainly interested in is 0.0 sov, however not just any 0.0 sov holder, you have to be a blot on the influence map! If you are not on there then you not really considered. The recruitment forums and channels are so saturated that in fact unless your like above then in order to get a decent corp together its nigh on impossible. You can dress up your recruitment posts, give the world, make in niche, dont matter. As the word says you cant even give it away.
Even complete noobies are drawn in by either Eve Uni or Goons.
The ingame recruitment thingy is just a waste of time, wonder if anyone has ever really effectively recruited from it.
Has it just now become for the normal players, corps are just based on a few friends, is that tune CCP rings about making megacorps in the trailers, not really true! anymore and infact opportunities are in fact limited not limitless.



You have to realize that Goons are a meta-gaming organization. They have presence in a variety of games which makes them attractive in Eve to people who already play other games with them or are aware of their existence from elsewhere. There are other nefarious factors involved in that as well but I won't go into them here.

Eve-University has the "learning" market cornered. Name is everything. They're highly organized and have been around forever.

As for the rest of us: Well, recruiting is difficult and mostly ineffective. However, I have had a few successes when recruiting although I would certainly categorize recruitment as mostly pointless if your intent is to post an ad or post in recruitment chat and expect results. If that is your intent then you are doomed for failure. Recruiting in Eve is like establishing relationships in RL. You can't say "Hey, we're a great bunch of people" and expect anything to happen. You have to establish a contact, maintain that contact and then maybe reap rewards sometime later. Basically, if you're not committed to the idea of maintaining an interest in people you meet, perhaps over a period of years, then you will never establish yourself and you'd be better off joining someone else's corporation. You have to network. Wait for opportunities. Recognize opportunities. And capitalize on opportunities. Eventually you'll reach a point of critical mass and things will actually work for you.

As far as having something "Unique" to offer as stated by our Goon friend in his reply: there is nothing to be offered that is unique except for RL financial incentive which is strictly verboten. But, that never stopped the Goons.

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WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2011-11-14 15:10:59 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
Mr Kidd wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:
Eve has grown quite a lot in the past 5 years, and the number of corps and alliances have grown exponentially, where there are litterly thousands of them and hundreds of alliances. There are so many corps/alliances doing the same thing, that to be honest even offering 0.0 space, even free ships doesnt work. It seems the the only stuff people are mainly interested in is 0.0 sov, however not just any 0.0 sov holder, you have to be a blot on the influence map! If you are not on there then you not really considered. The recruitment forums and channels are so saturated that in fact unless your like above then in order to get a decent corp together its nigh on impossible. You can dress up your recruitment posts, give the world, make in niche, dont matter. As the word says you cant even give it away.
Even complete noobies are drawn in by either Eve Uni or Goons.
The ingame recruitment thingy is just a waste of time, wonder if anyone has ever really effectively recruited from it.
Has it just now become for the normal players, corps are just based on a few friends, is that tune CCP rings about making megacorps in the trailers, not really true! anymore and infact opportunities are in fact limited not limitless.



You have to realize that Goons are a meta-gaming organization. They have presence in a variety of games which makes them attractive in Eve to people who already play other games with them or are aware of their existence from elsewhere. There are other nefarious factors involved in that as well but I won't go into them here.

Eve-University has the "learning" market cornered. Name is everything. They're highly organized and have been around forever.

As for the rest of us: Well, recruiting is difficult and mostly ineffective. However, I have had a few successes when recruiting although I would certainly categorize recruitment as mostly pointless if your intent is to post an ad or post in recruitment chat and expect results. If that is your intent then you are doomed for failure. Recruiting in Eve is like establishing relationships in RL. You can't say "Hey, we're a great bunch of people" and expect anything to happen. You have to establish a contact, maintain that contact and then maybe reap rewards sometime later. Basically, if you're not committed to the idea of maintaining an interest in people you meet, perhaps over a period of years, then you will never establish yourself and you'd be better off joining someone else's corporation. You have to network. Wait for opportunities. Recognize opportunities. And capitalize on opportunities. Eventually you'll reach a point of critical mass and things will actually work for you.

As far as having something "Unique" to offer as stated by our Goon friend in his reply: there is nothing to be offered that is unique except for RL financial incentive which is strictly verboten. But, that never stopped the Goons.


Yup, cant argue with that, however there is not many people, especially newer people that have forged relationships, and even when you do they still stay in the corps they are in. I know many people, but they prefer to do what they are doing. And who really wants to spend months, years to get people, you need to build a corp fairly quickly in order to achieve something. Because another thing is " oh err you only got 2 people " sorry not iunterested
Kariel Lateef
Space Meanies Inc.
#9 - 2011-11-14 15:27:25 UTC
I'm having the opposite problem, trying to find a corp I like in the vast sea of corps out there. I spent 6 weeks getting to know some guys, talking on their recruitment channel, waiting on entrance interviews that never came, then finally getting that interview and being met with suspicion and disbelief then never contacted again. I actually took a couple of months off at that point. It's just as hard from this side as it is from the other.
Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-11-14 15:31:43 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
Boadicea Wales wrote:
The problem as i see it is that EVE has become to predictable. In eight years you'll have used up most of the players wanting to play eve in a long term commited way.

I have played EVE for a long time off and on, I have started many new accounts skilled them, then got bored again and left only to return some months later to start all over again. I have to say with each incarnation the game has had less and less appeal for me. The thought of joining a proper player corp is far less appealing as I have kind of been there and done that. So I use EVE just to fill some time between my fave TV shows.

It is just a question of how much you want to commit to a game, may be the player base is of a more fly by night nature now.


Interesting post m8, I have to admit, I dont enjoy eve as much as used to, mainly because of the points you stated. its not exciting anymore. Been there done that.


thats the nature of a MMO though really.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#11 - 2011-11-14 15:32:19 UTC
My corp recruited someone a few weeks ago. They didn't stay long...

Kariel, if you are into PvE activities, give my CEO a call (figuratively). We are an odd bunch though, so try not to get sucked into the weirdness.Big smile
And if you're a PvP guy... well, you could join but you would be rather bored.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#12 - 2011-11-14 15:35:37 UTC
I've been directly involved with our recruiting through several recruitment cycles for SN now and we usually get flooded when we open up recruiting. This last period though has been somewhat slow and I think it has a lot to do with the fact that ninja salvaging as a profession is in a bit of a down cycle currently. I can see how the OP might be frustrated though as I see a tremendous number of random corps, lacking any focus to set them apart from the others, and maybe that is your biggest problem. Not trying to troll you, just suggesting that you make a strong effort to differentiate your organization from others corporations that may be similar.

Quality Assurance Recruiting intrepid explorers and BlOps/Cov Ops combat enthusiasts
Melke
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-11-14 15:40:18 UTC
The problem is a lot of corps promise the world then fail to deliver or are in the process of fail-scading out of existence. Oh you want to do indy stuff? Yeah we have a great setup if you can mine during CTA's in null and War Dec's in hi-sec. Super awesome!

I know I've joined a few corps only to find out a week later that no one else but the CEO/recruiter and myself ever log in so, I drop and it makes me look bad for switching corps too often. So for awhile I just sat in an NPC corp because I could actually talk to other players and have a good time flying.

So why would I want to join a small corp where I can talk to a wall and ship spin because no one else in the corp will put their ships on the line either?
Perramas
DreddNaut
#14 - 2011-11-14 15:44:37 UTC
The problem is people do not trust other people in EVE. It is entirely CCPs fault for cultivating the image of EVE as a harsh game with griefers and scammers at every turn. Trust no one is an EVE meme and that includes corporate recruiters.

As has been said you will have to make and cultivate contacts and hope it pays off in the future with a new recruit for your corp.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#15 - 2011-11-14 15:57:26 UTC
You want my rejects? I keep getting applications every week but I insist on running a one man show around in my offices.

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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
#16 - 2011-11-14 16:00:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Messoroz
WhyTry1 wrote:

The ingame recruitment thingy is just a waste of time, wonder if anyone has ever really effectively recruited from it.
Has it just now become for the normal players, corps are just based on a few friends, is that tune CCP rings about making megacorps in the trailers, not really true! anymore and infact opportunities are in fact limited not limitless.



You are trying to be lazy about recruiting. To recruit you must be proactive and you must be unique and distinct and it has to be something people want to join you for. Maybe you are a corp specialized in small gang fast pvp with a kb to back it up, maybe you are specialists in black ops faggotry, maybe your corp does hull tanking bs low sec gate camps.
People will simply not join just another OMG CAREBEAR corp, or OMG FAIL PVP LOOK AT US WARDECCING HISEC BEARS corp, you must have a reputation that either you build up or the corp does, find or make friends as well to join you.

My corp doesn't seem to have an issue recruiting even though we aren't a big null alliance, our reputation though kinda changes that :P
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#17 - 2011-11-14 16:13:48 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:

The ingame recruitment thingy is just a waste of time, wonder if anyone has ever really effectively recruited from it.


I did actually, the fellow biomassed after a while, but still...
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2011-11-14 16:19:59 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:

The ingame recruitment thingy is just a waste of time, wonder if anyone has ever really effectively recruited from it.
Has it just now become for the normal players, corps are just based on a few friends, is that tune CCP rings about making megacorps in the trailers, not really true! anymore and infact opportunities are in fact limited not limitless.



You are trying to be lazy about recruiting. To recruit you must be proactive and you must be unique and distinct and it has to be something people want to join you for. Maybe you are a corp specialized in small gang fast pvp with a kb to back it up, maybe you are specialists in black ops faggotry, maybe your corp does hull tanking bs low sec gate camps.
People will simply not join just another OMG CAREBEAR corp, or OMG FAIL PVP LOOK AT US WARDECCING HISEC BEARS corp, you must have a reputation that either you build up or the corp does, find or make friends as well to join you.

My corp doesn't seem to have an issue recruiting even though we aren't a big null alliance, our reputation though kinda changes that :P


I think you missed the whole point completely. Everyone else however didnt..
Yvan Ratamnim
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-11-14 16:24:03 UTC
Ugg so sick of the "waaahhh eve is boring"... if your a vet and eve is boring do something different! WTF yes 8 years of carebearing is boring DUH... If you get tired of 0.0 corp, then go WH, if you get tired of WH go gank highsec miners, join a pirate corp, join a wh corp...

DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!

The people and corps in eve that survive are the ones that come up with things that make them different and unique...

PL has there insanely good fleet warfare,
Raiden has there supercap armadas
Eve University has the training
RvB has the highsec wardec fighting

There are a few big WH corps as well though i cant remember them...

Eve is only boring if u make it boring, as its an open ended game its a SANDBOX, some people make badass castles and some people just take a bucket house that's boring as ****....

NO THE INGAME RECRUITING TOOL IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU 50-100 members! What will you ask? Active recruiters out there trolling the highsec grounds and talking to possible pvpers or miners to look to recruit people, thats why proper corps have actual recruiters to do the leg work.

Theres a tree view somewhere of the like 50+ careers in eve, you dont have to do 1-2 for 8 years, hell switch professions every month if you want!

Oh and you've been to 0.0 and been bored in a nullsec corp? How about this start a new corp, get together some capital and decent pilots, move them to NPC 0.0 get a foothold, eventually roll an alliance, then make a landgrab for a less wanted system, pull in some secondary corps for pvp support and indy support... now your managing 500-1000 people in multiple corps ... grow and expand... This is the kind of stuff that will draw peoples attention.....

NOT "Mining/Missioning/PVP/PVE/Incursion oriented corp, recruiting now!" ... Dear god who joins that crap.
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2011-11-14 16:28:08 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
Yvan Ratamnim wrote:
Ugg so sick of the "waaahhh eve is boring"... if your a vet and eve is boring do something different! WTF yes 8 years of carebearing is boring DUH... If you get tired of 0.0 corp, then go WH, if you get tired of WH go gank highsec miners, join a pirate corp, join a wh corp...

DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!

The people and corps in eve that survive are the ones that come up with things that make them different and unique...

PL has there insanely good fleet warfare,
Raiden has there supercap armadas
Eve University has the training
RvB has the highsec wardec fighting

There are a few big WH corps as well though i cant remember them...

Eve is only boring if u make it boring, as its an open ended game its a SANDBOX, some people make badass castles and some people just take a bucket house that's boring as ****....

NO THE INGAME RECRUITING TOOL IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU 50-100 members! What will you ask? Active recruiters out there trolling the highsec grounds and talking to possible pvpers or miners to look to recruit people, thats why proper corps have actual recruiters to do the leg work.

Theres a tree view somewhere of the like 50+ careers in eve, you dont have to do 1-2 for 8 years, hell switch professions every month if you want!

Oh and you've been to 0.0 and been bored in a nullsec corp? How about this start a new corp, get together some capital and decent pilots, move them to NPC 0.0 get a foothold, eventually roll an alliance, then make a landgrab for a less wanted system, pull in some secondary corps for pvp support and indy support... now your managing 500-1000 people in multiple corps ... grow and expand... This is the kind of stuff that will draw peoples attention.....

NOT "Mining/Missioning/PVP/PVE/Incursion oriented corp, recruiting now!" ... Dear god who joins that crap.


Wow are you mad? I think again you also have missed the entire thread... we not talking about if we are bored lol, that just popped up as one reason some people dont look for corps We are not wanting to change etc lol... please reread and perhaps edit or repost...thanks
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