Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The new industrials with Specialized bays are overpowered.

Unlike normal industrials, they do not need cargohold expanders or cargo optimization rigs. Instead they can fit a full rack of warp stabs and low friction nozzle joint rigs.

-ultra cheap
-many warp stabs
-lots of agility
-oversized bay

Just like ventures, these ships are totally out of balance with any other ships of their class. This sort of ship specialization is T2 domain, not ultra cheap T1's. They simply have too much bang for their buck.

They should be easier to catch (fewer lowslots), have less cargospace or be an expensive T2 ship.

I just upped the grid on a Nereus with a couple of Power diagnostics and managed to fit an Improved Cloak and a 10MN MWD ... and still had grid for a Large Shield Extender II and invuls. Thats without using any rigs at all.

A total of 23k EHP, whilst managing a cloak and MWD in an industrial was previously unheard of .

Boo ****ing hoo.
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I'm a new player, and I hate the changes (read: nerf) to the Iteron Mark V as well as all this stuff about different ships with special holds for hauling different things. As a noob, I didn't even know what PI was when I read it in the OP. It seems like all these changes are going to make things even more confusing for us new players, require lots more ISK and training time, and make life easier for the gankers....

When I started playing Eve about a month ago, I chose the Gallente race. I didn't have the wildest clue how it would matter. I didn't know how biased this whole game is towards seasoned players. I was a noob... remember what that felt like? What do I do to make this game fun? How do I make ISK? Should I join a CORP? Which one? Holy-hell!! Why did that guy just blow up my ship?!! Should I put money in that BLINK thing? What skills should I train? Why do individuals in a civilization advanced enough to be capable of space travel not have the cognitive ability to plan what skills they will train farther out than a 24 hour queue?

Since then I've joined a corp and braved the wilds of low-sec. I have quickly learned that not getting blown up all the time requires having good ships with good fittings. And... that requires ISK. LOTS of ISK! So like a noob, I've tried to make some ISK tinkering with missions, mining, trading and hauling,etc. I learned about markets and the whole "buy low, sell high" thing. Being a noob without the bankroll to make the cost of freight services affordable, I saw an opportunity to make some ISK by buying stuff in Jita and risk hauling it out to our CORP base in lowsec, where I could sell it and make some decent noob cash. I just needed a decent hauling ship.

The training path to Blockade Runners and Jump Frigates is a long and expensive one. So I turned to the one ship in the Gallente fleet that a poor noob like me could afford: the Iteron Mark V. I found that I could actually survive cargo runs from Jita to low-sec with a few T1 fittings, some practice with Align/Cloak, and balls of pure steel. I didn't even use an MWD, because I didn't have the skills for the Improved Cloaking Device. I just tanked my ship the best I could, bought as much Jita junk as my noob wallet would let me buy, and ran like hell to our base way out in lowsec.

I found what items were in short supply at our low-sec base, flew to Jita, then back to put that stuff on the market. I had to work fast, before the experienced players could buy that stuff in Jita with their alts trained to all 5's in Trading skills, and have a freight Corp ship it back, all without having to leave their cozy captains quarters at home base. My advantage was that I could haul it myself faster than the freight contractors could get around to moving those items in their T-infinity ships. I took the risk. So long as my ship held together, and if I bought the right stuff that actually sold for a decent markup, I might make 10 to 20 million ISK per run. Don't laugh, I'm a noob... And the thing that made this grand venture in to markets and low-sec hauling possible was my faithful Ity V.

When someone told me that changes to Industrial ships were coming, I thought "Great! They'll probably make my Iteron Mark V a little harder to destroy... mabye make it as hard as punching through two or three wet paper bags, instead of just one!" I had secret hopes of seeing T1 industrials get buffed with a +1 to warp core stabilzers, or some such thing... But now I learn that the Ity V has been nerfed all to hell. So there is now no Gallente industrial ship within reach of a noob's skill level and budget that has even a remote chance of surviving hauling runs into low-sec, or holding up against endless waves of roving WT squads flying Insta-lock Thrashers.

The new changes have now put lights, bells and pyrotechnics around the already glaring "Gank Me" sign hanging on the back of my Iteron Mark V. Just yesterday, I finally completed skills training to use the Improved Cloaking Device. I was ready to haul some more stuff from Jita and dole out major doses of demoralizing failure to the WTs and low-sec gate campers... courtesy of my newly fitted Cloaky/MWD Iteron Mark V!!! For a noob, low-sec gate camps are terribly risky because a noob-fitted Ity V has roughly a whopping 6500 hitpoints. I felt a supernova sized let down today when I discovered that, without me having to unfit any rigs or modules from my ship, the hitpoints have now dropped to only 4300! And, as a bonus kick in my formerly steel nether-regions, my freight hauler is SLOWER!

Sadly, what was once the poor man's Blockade Runner, is now just a guaranteed Killmail generator. Truely, I felt like a god breaking through Chatgris' gate camp in my noobtastic, all T1 fit, Iteron Mark V... Now I am forced to abandon my budding trade-hauling-industry career. Unless things change, I'll be keeping my Iteron Mark V in the low-sec Corp dock, and flying my Venture back to high-sec to mine Veldspar until I get bored enough to never log back into Eve.

Dude just pick a different ship, they are dirt cheap. Anyhow think how lucky you are. There was a time when every ship you trained for was nerfed and skill trained was invalidated. It's the nature of the game...

Spaceship Command 3 and a L1 racial skill is hardly the end of the world...

I've looked, I've studied, I've tried out a few different industrial setups...and I have to say that overall I'm mildly displeased with the changes. About all I can say is, "it could have been worse". The mighty Mk V is now obsolete - I think the majority of us can agree on that. Gallente at least gains the only specialized ship worth using, the Miasmos. As for the other special haulers..let's be honest, nobody is going to stop using Orcas and blockade runners in favor of a Nereus or whatever. Caldari pilots seem to be the major winners with the Tayra replacing the Mk V as the general hauler of choice, although I think its maybe a bit less tankable now. The more I think about it the more I'm starting to side with the people saying we just need low slot specialized bays that eat up most of your cargo space. Devs could still control which ships can use which bays either through base cargo requirements or simply limiting which ships can equip them.

Loving the new industrials, well done CCP!

I was actually relieved when my Iteron Mark V got blown up the other day... the stupid nerf made it a worthless piece of junk. The only time I see an Iteron Mark V these days is when a noob posts their kill mail.