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Do Level 4 missions pay too much compared to 1 through 3?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#821 - 2013-09-07 13:54:22 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Then you don't need access to a ship that's not useful.


Titans have uses outside of PvE, if you can conceive of such a thing.

Seriously, do you never tire of publically humiliating yourself by speaking loudly about matters about which you know little or nothing, and then being immediately shown to be incontrovertibly wrong? Is it a sex fetish thing or what?


To shoot other titans whos only justiciation for existence can be the existence of another titan? Circular reasoning is circular.


No, they have uses even beyond that.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#822 - 2013-09-07 13:56:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Its time for nullsec to receive the nerf its due. Its time for nullsec to adapt to the nerfs so that we may further balance the game based on real risk and not a subjectively applied version of said risk.

As we know nullsec has received nerfs recently that CCP felt justified in doing and there are more to come. Its time to man up and accept what's best for the game.


We have taken 8 years of nerfs while high sec has had none.


ftfy

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#823 - 2013-09-07 13:57:53 UTC
perhaps we should introduce rat supers so we can use doomsday in pve and benefit titan owners who are poor
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#824 - 2013-09-07 15:18:31 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

We are starting none of these threads however we will not stand by while people demand tbat we be nerfed yet again because they refuse to take any steps to protect themselves.

As for mission income, we simply ask that null and low offer more reward for the higher risk we face. We want to live in null but so long as high sec offers the same or higher reward we find its just not worth it.


Ah, by reading the "Do Level 4 missions pay too much compared to 1 through 3?" I thought this was not exactly the thread where nerfs are called on you.

Imo EvE is more or less fine as is and actually they overnerfed miners ganking. The "dynamically spawn anoms" mechanic, as I said several times in the past, HAS impacted more the gankers than their targets.


We adapted. Its now time for high sec to adapt to some much needed nerfs to further balance the game.


If it's so bad, how comes your alliance has long time complete supremacy in null sec and is also dominating high sec markets?

I mean, if you were all battered and bloodied and ridiculed I could see such large imbalance.

But I don't see you guys being exactly the poor sods everybody should throw a nickel at. Or am I wrong?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#825 - 2013-09-07 15:22:03 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

We are starting none of these threads however we will not stand by while people demand tbat we be nerfed yet again because they refuse to take any steps to protect themselves.

As for mission income, we simply ask that null and low offer more reward for the higher risk we face. We want to live in null but so long as high sec offers the same or higher reward we find its just not worth it.


Ah, by reading the "Do Level 4 missions pay too much compared to 1 through 3?" I thought this was not exactly the thread where nerfs are called on you.

Imo EvE is more or less fine as is and actually they overnerfed miners ganking. The "dynamically spawn anoms" mechanic, as I said several times in the past, HAS impacted more the gankers than their targets.


We adapted. Its now time for high sec to adapt to some much needed nerfs to further balance the game.


If it's so bad, how comes your alliance has long time complete supremacy in null sec and is also dominating high sec markets?

I mean, if you were all battered and bloodied and ridiculed I could see such large imbalance.

But I don't see you guys being exactly the poor sods everybody should throw a nickel at. Or am I wrong?


A good chunk of the rank and file run alts in empire.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#826 - 2013-09-07 15:40:47 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


If it's so bad, how comes your alliance has long time complete supremacy in null sec and is also dominating high sec markets?




CFC holds 9 regions......N3 holds damn near three times the number of systems.

Lets a least be factual.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#827 - 2013-09-07 18:59:39 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

If you look at the link I provided, it shows that high sec (with somehting like 70% of EVE's population) has less than 1/7th the ship deaths of Null sec (11% of EVE's population).


This is vastly and imo biasedly misapplied.

In null sec most get out to pew pew and a portion does PvE, some do industry.

In hi sec many trade, do low grade industry, transport stuff to-from hubs with regular ships (no JFs) and so on.

To have a faithful representation you should only compare the PvP active subset of population in both realms.

As of now a tiny minority of high seccers are PvP active, I am actually surprised hi sec has 1/7 of the kills and not 1/30.

What high sec does, in a fairly balanced way, is to actually allow people to be non PVP active if they apply some sound practices (mainly: don't make yourself a target).

Because only you make yourself a target, high sec is as dangerous as null sec. Go around in a blinged 30B marauder or a 10B load freigther and see how long you last in this ~safe~ high sec.


When you have to move the goal posts to score a point in a game, it means you suck at a game.....

EVE is a pvp game. Ther eis no pvp subset. The lenghts you and people like you go to in order to deny the truth is shameful.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#828 - 2013-09-07 19:02:55 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Then you don't need access to a ship that's not useful.


Titans have uses outside of PvE, if you can conceive of such a thing.

Seriously, do you never tire of publically humiliating yourself by speaking loudly about matters about which you know little or nothing, and then being immediately shown to be incontrovertibly wrong? Is it a sex fetish thing or what?


He can't tire of someting he'll never be man enough to admit. There is nothing you can do about people uninterested in the truth, except point andnlaugh at them all the time.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#829 - 2013-09-07 19:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Eve is a sandbox game. It's perfectly possible to make a character that never leaves the docking station and actively participates in the economy and even has hands into events that unfold.

Before you respond with a Tippia quality semantic about market being pvp save your breath. Its not the context in which your using the word.

To elaborate we both compete over the oxygen reserves of the earth. Yet only a simp would use that as grounds for saying that every human on earth is constantly participating in pvp.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#830 - 2013-09-07 19:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Eve is a sandbox game. It's perfectly possible to make a character that never leaves the docking station and actively participates in the economy and even have hands into events that unfold.

Before yu respond with a Tippia quality semantic about market being pvp save your breath. Its not the context in which your using the word.
Stop putting words in my mouth.
In the contexts in which I use both “pvp“ and “market”, the market most certainly is PvP. The very nature of the market in EVE ensures that it's always PvP, even when you don't trade with players.

Yes, it's perfectly possible to create a character that never has any hand in the events that unfold. It is also a pretty pointless use of a character slot, since all that character ever does is spin his n00bship and never even tells anyone how many spins he has.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#831 - 2013-09-07 19:19:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:
Are you high on something? Making over 60 million an hour wtf .... If lucky flying solo and with a standard bs you're looking at most
…70–100M, if you're efficient (and using obsolete ships); 45M if you're pedantic about picking up every last valuable.

But those are old numbers. You get more faster these days.


From page 4 of this thread, ladies and gentlemen I present Tippia's evidence.... Click the links above and be awed at the two threads posted in 2009 and 2010 respectively in which a guy with a Golem blats loads of missions and presents his findings.

Sadly though a Golem is too narrow a sample to have any real validity. If he had tried to simulate an average mission runner then the study might be worth while, cos we all know everybody in high sec flys around in a pimp fitted Golem lol...

You really should be a politician Tippia, you're as slippery as one.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#832 - 2013-09-07 19:28:08 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:
Are you high on something? Making over 60 million an hour wtf .... If lucky flying solo and with a standard bs you're looking at most
…70–100M, if you're efficient (and using obsolete ships); 45M if you're pedantic about picking up every last valuable.

But those are old numbers. You get more faster these days.


From page 4 of this thread, ladies and gentlemen I present Tippia's evidence.... Click the links above and be awed at the two threads posted in 2009 and 2010 respectively in which a guy with a Golem blats loads of missions and presents his findings.

Sadly though a Golem is too narrow a sample to have any real validity. If he had tried to simulate an average mission runner then the study might be worth while, cos we all know everybody in high sec flys around in a pimp fitted Golem lol...

You really should be a politician Tippia, you're as slippery as one.


Just about everyone can fly a golem these days. Mind you people now mostly fly cruise navy ravens that do even more damage than back then.

So if anything those income numbers are too low.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#833 - 2013-09-07 19:35:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:
Are you high on something? Making over 60 million an hour wtf .... If lucky flying solo and with a standard bs you're looking at most
…70–100M, if you're efficient (and using obsolete ships); 45M if you're pedantic about picking up every last valuable.

But those are old numbers. You get more faster these days.


From page 4 of this thread, ladies and gentlemen I present Tippia's evidence.... Click the links above and be awed at the two threads posted in 2009 and 2010 respectively in which a guy with a Golem blats loads of missions and presents his findings.

Sadly though a Golem is too narrow a sample to have any real validity. If he had tried to simulate an average mission runner then the study might be worth while, cos we all know everybody in high sec flys around in a pimp fitted Golem lol...

You really should be a politician Tippia, you're as slippery as one.


Just about everyone can fly a golem these days. Mind you people now mostly fly cruise navy ravens that do even more damage than back then.

So if anything those income numbers are too low.


Doesn't mean that everyone does, mr average does not hit l4 missions in a golem. Just about everyone can afford a Mercedes these days, but you don't see them in every drive.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#834 - 2013-09-07 19:36:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
A 33 hour test in one ship by one pilot 2-3 years ago is evidence of EVE's average user base and the results they see? Lol.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

In that thread there are people contradicting his findings at that time period.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#835 - 2013-09-07 19:37:04 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


Doesn't mean that everyone does, mr average does not hit l4 missions in a golem. Just about everyone can afford a Mercedes these days, but you don't see them in every drive.


This game is over a decade old.

Mr average can easily be flying a navy raven which is just as good.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#836 - 2013-09-07 19:38:15 UTC
Which means jack. Because if the findings were 100% truth and not likely false it doesn't mean the numbers they found were indicative of a problem.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#837 - 2013-09-07 19:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
A 33 hour test in one ship by one pilot 2-3 years ago is evidence of EVE's average user base and the results they see? Lol.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

In that thread there are people contradicting his findings at that time period.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal


Well lets see what evidence you have to disprove that 3 year old detailed look into missions.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#838 - 2013-09-07 19:39:53 UTC
Disprove what? I haven't seen anything proven from that thread.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#839 - 2013-09-07 19:40:02 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Which means jack. Because if the findings were 100% truth and not likely false it doesn't mean the numbers they found were indicative of a problem.


The problem is that high sec is offering too much reward. His numbers show that level 4 missions are dishing out around the same isk as null anoms.

This is a big problem.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#840 - 2013-09-07 19:40:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
A 33 hour test in one ship by one pilot 2-3 years ago is evidence of EVE's average user base and the results they see? Lol.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

In that thread there are people contradicting his findings at that time period.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal


All posts should be peer reviewed.

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