EVE General Discussion

Yes I can.

Trading is balanced due to the fact that you need to invest tens of billions to make billions.

Income via shooting rats should be balanced like exploration is.

I'm afraid that's not what you said. Per your post here:




No wonder you find it difficult to argue with other people. Not only do you have difficulty in replying to what they've actually said, you can't even remember what you said yourself.

You quoted me just fine but i'm not drawing the conclusions you imply. What I see is that you are ignoring where you are told to stop comparing missions, anomalies and belts as if they are all the same activity. I also used a very broad argument about battleship hulls being a measure and being worth more in nullsec and you and a few others are trying to blur the lines by arguing the hulls in null are "different" hulls and thus that being the reason they are worth more. Funnily enough killing a rat in low sec takes the same amount of time it does in null. So while the name may vary the challenge is the same.

I accepted I made an error when I said hisec battleship rat in asteroid belts. So the case has been corrected.

In nullsec you can hunt battleship rats in asteroid belts and make 1 million or better per hull. In high sec you can't even participate in that activity.

And NO, missions, markets & anomalies can not be compared or substituted in place of it.

As far as my difficulty in arguing , LOL. Because to this moment not a single person in the nerf hisec crowd has produced a shred of evidence that suggest it necessary that isn't Not you. Not Tippia. Not Jenn. Nor the Goons.

And that statistic sheet and senses dulling circle talk doesn't count for proof either. Not because I wouldn't accept proof or that i'm being argumentative but because in fact the statistics really do show one thing. The total from all secs in bounties paid out. That's it. And it's meaningless in terms of determining whether or not level 4 missions pay out too much or whether hisec in general pays out too much.

More bounties are likely paid out in total in hisec, that's because there's probably 4-5 players for every 1 in nullsec. Not because the per kill amount is too high. At minimum there is no evidence to definitively draw that conclusion.

This is vastly and imo biasedly misapplied.

In null sec most get out to pew pew and a portion does PvE, some do industry.

In hi sec many trade, do low grade industry, transport stuff to-from hubs with regular ships (no JFs) and so on.

To have a faithful representation you should only compare the PvP active subset of population in both realms.

As of now a tiny minority of high seccers are PvP active, I am actually surprised hi sec has 1/7 of the kills and not 1/30.

What high sec does, in a fairly balanced way, is to actually allow people to be non PVP active if they apply some sound practices (mainly: don't make yourself a target).

Because only you make yourself a target, high sec is as dangerous as null sec. Go around in a blinged 30B marauder or a 10B load freigther and see how long you last in this ~safe~ high sec.

Yes, high security is high security. Null security is null security. Hisec is safer than null security and that's working as intended. The level of safety is subjective.

This means nothing in relation to payouts for missions.

Under this logic high sec should be impossible to make ISK in at all because it has more safety than nullsec.

The same argument could then be said for null sec in relation to wormholes.

You have more safety in nullsec because you have local chat and thus its safer when compared to wormholes.

No more isk for you.

Are youkidding? We LOVE these people. Their utter lack of pvp awareness in a pvp focused game makes our lives so much easier.

We are starting none of these threads however we will not stand by while people demand tbat we be nerfed yet again because they refuse to take any steps to protect themselves.

As for mission income, we simply ask that null and low offer more reward for the higher risk we face. We want to live in null but so long as high sec offers the same or higher reward we find its just not worth it.

You don't face higher risk. You have local chat. You can warp away at the first sight of a neutral. You deserve nothing more than what you have.

Anytime you're ready to head back to high sec and partake in this exploitation of wealth generation you claim exists please come and do so.

So tell me, how are we making isk from ratting while we are sitting in station?

Also I am in high sec making my isk, it pays more due to not having to dock up and grab a pvp ship to get rid of neuts.

Concord doesn't stop ships from being blown up to the degree you imply. It does raise the requirements more than null ill grant you.

But high sec also lacks the ability to use Capitals and such that nullsec has so i'm not sure if our hull limitations can be ignored when determining safety.

I use no alts, nor do I troll in the manner you suggest.