EVE General Discussion

Oh look.
Those are my blues and I had them blacklisted.

*evil grin*

Having run incursions for 10 months I can say this ....

What "kill it with fire" attempted worked. There is no if, but or however.
No, it worked and I saw it myself (no I wasn't in the fleet).

For those of you who would like to do this yourself, here's how. If you want to do it on an alt, its less than a week with a new character into caldari cruiser 4, electronic warfare 3. A bit more if you want engineering 5 and thermodynamics to overload your jammers.

Fit your blackbirds with either 6 meta-3 caldari or minmatar jammers depending on if you are against scimis or basis. Lowslots should have two meta-3 signal distortion amplifiers.

You need at least 3 groups 2 of blackbirds, preferably 4 groups of 3. Against basilisks, you usually only need 2 blackbirds per group (sometimes they cap chain with BS in the fleet, watch for that). Against scimitars, you need 3 per group.

First group warps in, overloads and readies all jammers, and each blackbird jams one logi. The FC starts counting with a stopwatch.
Second group warps in a few seconds later, locks logis. Again, each blackbird jams one logi at 20 seconds after the first round of jams.

Repeat this for however many blackbirds you have.

I'm not reposting my math here, you can do it yourself, but with the skills I listed above, and non-ECCM'ed logis, you have a 90%+ chance of jamming out all the logis for as long as you want (eg: however many players you have). I didn't bother calculating against ECCM'd logis, because most incursion logi don't mount ECCM.

Yes, you get concorded. The beauty is even if concord is already on grid with you you still have a good chance of jamming your logi for 20 seconds, because jams last after your ship is destroyed.

On our last attempt yesterday we managed to get one machariel into 15% armor. If we had a fourth wave of blackbirds he probably would have died. We were limited by the pilots we had online at the time.

A larger corp than us will have great fun with this, and I encourage everyone to try it. Blackbirds are dirt cheap.

The simplest counter to this new threat is for all logi's to start using EECM's is it not?

This thread made me do a little sex wee-wee in my pants

Fair comment.

So, when can we expect a hot fix to disable all ECM's within an Incursion system CCP?

Its the only logical next step

Apparently you missed this part.

GM Homonoia wrote:

ECM burst Griffin works too.

Meh i'm okay with this.

Can get around this in a number of ways but incursion fleets are not intrested in doing so.
Use remote rep drones.
If your in a shinney ship and scared grab a remote eccm and boost the logi.

As a Scimi I carry 2 tracking links....could easily swap one out for EECM(no eft but believe it should fit.)

risk vs reward.

You want to fly your shiny fleet with max dps and no eccm for max profit....thats a risk.
Is the more isk per hour worth it....that is up to you.

Also if someone is doing this chances are your not the first fleet he will do it to....you'll have some warning by the tears in the incursion channel....read these and adjust your fleet acordingly.

After reading this...

I will have remote rep drones deployed and active repping rather than ecm or dps
I will have an ECCM mod available should the FC request it.
I will watch chat channels to see if these are taking place.
If they are taking place I will fit ECCM to keep my fleet mates alive...

there was that hard?

Just did a fast search
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tracking_Link_II
Tracking link II
powergrid usage
1 MW
CPU usage
30 tf

VS

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Conjunctive_Ladar_ECCM_Scanning_Array_I
ECCM
powergrid usage
1 MW
CPU usage
16 tf


So it is actually easier to fit...it also uses less cap.

So as a scimi pilot upon request I will be able to swap out one or both of my links for these should FC's request it.