Ships & Modules

T3 are great. Love 'em. Like butter over warm bread.

But isn't the whole point that: they can be good at everything but not as good as the focused t2 version?

Should the t2 cmd ships be better than the t3 counterparts?
Lets take a vote:
(survey says: YYYYYNYYYYYYYYYYYNYYYY)


p.s.

Also,
whats up with not needing to be on grid to give bonuses? No brainer fix right there, if CCP knows anything they are looking at this already

I second the OP completely

I was discussing tech 2 vs tech 3, however
if you feel there is room to discuss tiers by all means



indeed

T3 are doing marginally better for thrice the price. And most t3 command fits i saw is crap for anything else than sitting on pos and giving bonuses. Their tank is so-so, and no dps whatsoever.

So i see no problem here.

gang boosting being only doable on grid would solve these problems.

IMO change boosting to be on grid only and you smooth out the differences automatically.

+1. If boosting was on-grid then we wouldn't get ridiculous T3 off gird fits with officer co-pros in lows and command processors in mids on T3s, or nullifier and eccm and/or cloaks meant to warp to a ss and boost while being nigh unscannable.

CCP really fuckedup the tech II utility for HACs, Recons, and Command ships. Commands the most because they flat out gave T3 a better boost percentage.

As to the fella who sees no problem because he pays half a billion or so for a T3 and command ships are roughly half that he's missing the real cost issue, which is a cost of sp. Also, he's missing the issue that this is a combat game. We really should not have a character and ship playing such an important part in a battle while sitting outside the arena and safe.

Now if CCP kept the bonus %s the same, but required on-grid to pass the buff, then T3s would have to tank their ships, and their tanks are adequate to do this while fitting one or maybe two better buffs, but not 3. That would preserve a job for command ships. It would also make fleet makeup, construction, and placement a true factor in a battle. T3s and commands could be shifted from fleet to wing to squad command positions to configure the best buffs for each class of ships in the fleet. These boosters would also be losable, and thus a big affect on the course of a battle. This would be a good thing for the game.

I would prefer a swapping of the T3 and command ship %s such that the command reattain their place as "command ships" and have the better buff to pass. Or that the buffs were equal.

I fly command ships. I want to be in the battle and at risk of losing my ship as well. I don't want to be a stupid ridiculously fit command processored wimp sitting at a pos or ss. Please CCP get rid of this crap situation you created.

edit- aside from pvp, this would also help partially fix another problem which is the isk faucet that is high sec incursions (and to a lesser extent level 4 missions). If a vanguard fleet of 10 ships wants command link buff(s) they would have to have that T3 or Command ship in the site with them. This arguably could reduce the dps of the incursion fleet, increase the completion time and thus reduce the isk per hour that CCP is presently handing out like candy on Halloween.

This is a terrible idea because it breaks something in the game that is clearly needed and not combat oriented, mining gang bonuses. Mining is already a bad way of making ISK, and only becomes remotely good with Orca/Rorqual bonuses in a large fleet of Hulks. While some would risk the Orca, nobody is gonna put a Rorqual in a belt.

Kat

I vote for Option C.

Yes, but that's a terrible fix.

-Liang

Ed: My preferred fix would be swapping the boost percentages from fleet/T3s.