EVE General Discussion

Oh good lord. Didn't you take basic high school science?

When you are trying to prove a hypothesis, you do not ask people to go gather data on their own. You do the research and provide the data in some format to prove your argument for them.

If you can't provide the data, then you aren't even bothering tyring to prove your argument. I'm not trying to prove any point didn't you read. Its not the job of the person questioning your argument to come up with the data. That falls soley on you.

And if you cannot do that then we have to assume that there is no data to begin with because none was provided directly.

So sorry, telling people to look up the data on their own is not an acceptable way to prove an argument.

There isn't anything else to argue at this point.

I'm going to play some War Thunder and go to bed so I'll keep telling you the same truths sometime tomorrow.

Even better I teach high school science and I can tell, from my class pretty much all of them could make better posts than these highsec pubbies do. I proved the data to you, you just failed the intelligence test and are throwing a ~~o7o7o7o7m8m8m8m8~~highsec tantrum~~o7o7o7o7m8m8m8m8~~.

You made the claim that highsec is not completely safe, follow your own rules and prove it, until then my proof prevails.

~~~~Highsec is Safe~~~~

Highsec is not safe. Concord guarantees retribution, not defense.

Clearly you haven't checked eve-kill for that 15b golem or 12b CNR, or any of the other 5b+ mission boats that were popped. Don't bother posting till you have.

Your implication is that there is more risk playing 20 dollar poker in a small backwoods town than playing 2000 dollar poker in the metropolis.

Yeah, well that falls under my easier statement about being functionally r33333333tarted. Particularly when a moderate faction build makes it not worth the energy to gank for like 5% less performance.

One of the first things I learned in the game was being careful about over blinging in high sec.

And I saw both of those mails when the happened, that RNI was worth more, like 32 billion, one of the market guys priced it at jita prices.

Yeah so don't fly billions near market hubs.

This is eve 101 stuff.

No it isn't. It's about 25% or 30% more for the exact same rat in a belt compared to a mission deadspace. Top tier belt BS rats pay 1.9M ISK bounty (eg: Guristas Massacerers; the same rat pays about 1.3M in a mission)

Anomaly and plex rats pay the same (0% more) as mission rats.

I didn't say it was a problem. That's a conclusion that you - and others have drawn from a simple piece of information.

The data is in this thread.

Per Dotlan, there are approximately 900 R64 moons.
Per the market, they generate a gross of approximately 2.5 million ISK per hour.
Ergo: R64s are worth 2.25B/hour.

A moderately competent L4 mission runner can generate approximately 40M/hr worth of ISK, LP, salvage and loot.

2250/40 = 56.25. Let's say that ammo & drone costs mean that it takes 60 L4 mission runners operating at any one time to match the gross wealth generation of all the R64s in EVE.

There are multiple L4 mission hubs in EVE where there are an average over the course of the day of at least 60 missioners. (eg: they might have 150 at peak times and only 30-40 during off-peak, but the average will be 60+).

I say nothing as to whether it's a problem or whether it isn't. I think the enraged denials, the dishonest attempts to twist the figures and laughably obvious attempts to obfuscate the issues say all that needs to be said.

And if it doesn't, Upton Sinclair did

It would be more interesting to quantify hisec PvE vs nullsec PvE, corrected for population.

But anyway, as I've said a few tiems, the element in risk/reward that drives players into a certain space it's mostly risk. Of course, killing rewards will also damage the population, but no increase in rewards will drive hiseccers out of hisec.

If most people choose to stay in hisec and pay a price for it, the price should not be boredom caused by neglecting their gameplay option.

The hisec "kids pool" needs more depth way more than EVE needs just more places to conquer & hold.