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ding ding the goons are coming, the goons are coming to SC

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Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#21 - 2013-09-05 22:42:58 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Many Goons are gamers, of course they're going to try other games, and given their well deserved reputation push the limits in them. They may act like asshats, but they do bring some colour to the games they play.


Indeed, some may regard a pile of doo as colorful art, but others see it as doo...nothing more.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#22 - 2013-09-05 23:10:54 UTC
Q 5 wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Many Goons are gamers, of course they're going to try other games, and given their well deserved reputation push the limits in them. They may act like asshats, but they do bring some colour to the games they play.


Indeed, some may regard a pile of doo as colorful art, but others see it as doo...nothing more.

I read that thread, the "terrorist" isn't doing Goons, or Eve any favours.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-09-06 02:36:38 UTC
Well for one goons aren't the supervillians of eve, they are just a massive collective of a**holes that generally actually suck in pvp individually, but the numbers make them a viable threat to others. If anyone we're to be considered the supervillians of eve, I'd give that crown to Pandemic Legion, they at least have both the manpower/assets and even player skill to be feared as an adversary.

Now as to you finding a good game without goons, I know there are a fair number, Goons have actually been permanently banned in many games for their childlike behavior and general griefing. Sadly off the top of my head I can't recall which ones I read about that happening in.

Now it's absolutely true that even without goons your still going to find their kind in every sandbox game. Goons just happen to be referenced the most because they are the largest collective of a**holes known on the web. So you are going to run into this issue in any mmo environment.

Anyway seems to figured out the private servers, so that right there solves your problem with SC.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#24 - 2013-09-06 06:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Q 5 wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Many Goons are gamers, of course they're going to try other games, and given their well deserved reputation push the limits in them. They may act like asshats, but they do bring some colour to the games they play.


Indeed, some may regard a pile of doo as colorful art, but others see it as doo...nothing more.

I read that thread, the "terrorist" isn't doing Goons, or Eve any favours.


Personally, I would ask that individual to forward a refundable subscription deposit of 300 $ before allowing him to subscribe to the game, and would warn him that the deposit is non refundable in case that he is banned or breaks the EULA. If he plans to cost me money, he better indemnizes me beforehand... Twisted


PS: 300 $ being the cost of losing 5 customers at 60 $ each.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Stegas Tyrano
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-09-06 07:17:57 UTC
Expect whinage and lots of it, SC won't be as easy to grief as EVE because of the way they handle standings and ganking.

Let's hope CIG don't implement some sort of CSM.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2013-09-06 07:24:01 UTC
The amount of rage over us playing the game the way CCP designed it to be played is entertaining.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-09-06 08:18:01 UTC
I still have your stuff, Q 5, I cannot fly Caldari command ships anyway.

So if you want to come back, just say it , otherwise I will sell it within the next week.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#28 - 2013-09-06 08:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Zimmy got a Command Ship!? Not fair! Sad

...just kidding, can't fly them either. Blink

baltec1 wrote:
The amount of rage over us playing the game the way CCP designed it to be played is entertaining.


They did not... or better, they didn't know they did 'till you (and many other people over the years) showed them that they did... without knowing it. I guess that's the definition of exploiting... from a certain point of vew... Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#29 - 2013-09-06 08:38:53 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Pandemic Legion invaded a start-up sandbox MMO I played, on the first day it opened. Kind of sucked, just because everybody else was a solo player, or maybe part of a group of 2 or 3 friends. The game involved exploring the territory and claiming a homestead spot. So when a huge pre-made group came in, so big that nobody else could hope to compete with it, in kind of whacked the dynamics of that particular sandbox. Oh well, that's the reality of meta.


If, after 10 years of EVE's existence, sandbox MMO devs aren't taking the possibility of these kinds of events into account, then they've only themselves to blame.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#30 - 2013-09-06 08:52:33 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
If, after 10 years of EVE's existence, sandbox MMO devs aren't taking the possibility of these kinds of events into account, then they've only themselves to blame.


Very true...

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#31 - 2013-09-06 08:54:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Malcanis wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Pandemic Legion invaded a start-up sandbox MMO I played, on the first day it opened. Kind of sucked, just because everybody else was a solo player, or maybe part of a group of 2 or 3 friends. The game involved exploring the territory and claiming a homestead spot. So when a huge pre-made group came in, so big that nobody else could hope to compete with it, in kind of whacked the dynamics of that particular sandbox. Oh well, that's the reality of meta.


If, after 10 years of EVE's existence, sandbox MMO devs aren't taking the possibility of these kinds of events into account, then they've only themselves to blame.


"Have you ever played EVE Online?"

IF Yes (deposit +50)
IF No (deposit +0)

"Are you registered at Something Awful?"

IF Yes (deposit +100)
IF No (deposit +0)

"Do you know what is a Goon (capitalized)?"

IF Yes (deposit +200)
IF No (deposit +0)

Lol

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#32 - 2013-09-06 09:45:47 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Pandemic Legion invaded a start-up sandbox MMO I played, on the first day it opened. Kind of sucked, just because everybody else was a solo player, or maybe part of a group of 2 or 3 friends. The game involved exploring the territory and claiming a homestead spot. So when a huge pre-made group came in, so big that nobody else could hope to compete with it, in kind of whacked the dynamics of that particular sandbox. Oh well, that's the reality of meta.


If, after 10 years of EVE's existence, sandbox MMO devs aren't taking the possibility of these kinds of events into account, then they've only themselves to blame.


"Have you ever played EVE Online?"

IF Yes (deposit +50)
IF No (deposit +0)

"Are you registered at Something Awful?"

IF Yes (deposit +100)
IF No (deposit +0)

"Do you know what is a Goon (capitalized)?"

IF Yes (deposit +200)
IF No (deposit +0)

Lol


Sounds like it's going to cost you at least $250 to try out SC then.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2013-09-06 10:03:20 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Zimmy got a Command Ship!? Not fair! Sad

...just kidding, can't fly them either. Blink

baltec1 wrote:
The amount of rage over us playing the game the way CCP designed it to be played is entertaining.


They did not... or better, they didn't know they did 'till you (and many other people over the years) showed them that they did... without knowing it. I guess that's the definition of exploiting... from a certain point of vew... Blink


They knew exactly what they were doing. These icelandic types are mad like that, I mean, they stole money from the uk and when we asked for it back they set off one of their volcanoes.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#34 - 2013-09-06 10:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
baltec1 wrote:
They knew exactly what they were doing. These icelandic types are mad like that, I mean, they stole money from the uk and when we asked for it back they set off one of their volcanoes.


Remember that interview with one of the devs during Fanfest this year? I can't find it at the moment, but I found one tiny anecdote very funny and enlightening:

He talked about (in beta, I think) he played the game for the first time, anonymously... and he attended one of the early mining ops back in that day... and was actually shocked to see people using jet cans, because that was something he/the rest of the team had never intended! He was so baffled (and according to him, also frightened), because he had the amount of time, cargo space, etc. one would need to mine a certain amount of ore precisely calculated and balanced against the rest of the potential production/income cycle... and now he saw all those careful calculations swim down river because of a simple mechanic, that actually was a (if I remember correctly) left over from early development.

So no... you may call it emergent game play or exploiting, but not everything in EVE is planned by CCP... never will be. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-09-06 10:26:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

They knew exactly what they were doing. These icelandic types are mad like that, I mean, they stole money from the uk and when we asked for it back they set off one of their volcanoes.


So I misread that post at first.
Maybe because you were talking about "mad Icelandic types" it subconsciously lead me to read "monkey" instead of "money".

Needless to say, I was intrigued about the wondrous tale of crazy, monkey stealing vikings coming up and how they sacrifice those simians in their volcanoes.

Granted, with "Money" instead the whole post makes much more sense, but is also much less exciting.

Meh.


Cry

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
#36 - 2013-09-06 10:56:06 UTC
Star Citizen is released??, i thought it was still in development. And if so how can Goons move there??
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#37 - 2013-09-06 10:57:30 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

They knew exactly what they were doing. These icelandic types are mad like that, I mean, they stole money from the uk and when we asked for it back they set off one of their volcanoes.


So I misread that post at first.
Maybe because you were talking about "mad Icelandic types" it subconsciously lead me to read "monkey" instead of "money".

Needless to say, I was intrigued about the wondrous tale of crazy, monkey stealing vikings coming up and how they sacrifice those simians in their volcanoes.

Granted, with "Money" instead the whole post makes much more sense, but is also much less exciting.

Meh.


Cry


They're invited to grab some monkeys from Gibraltar if they ever need more. Volcano gods are not to be taken lightly. Pirate

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#38 - 2013-09-06 17:22:33 UTC
Abyss Azizora wrote:
Well for one goons aren't the supervillians of eve, they are just a massive collective of a**holes that generally actually suck in pvp individually, but the numbers make them a viable threat to others. If anyone we're to be considered the supervillians of eve, I'd give that crown to Pandemic Legion, they at least have both the manpower/assets and even player skill to be feared as an adversary.

Now as to you finding a good game without goons, I know there are a fair number, Goons have actually been permanently banned in many games for their childlike behavior and general griefing. Sadly off the top of my head I can't recall which ones I read about that happening in.

Now it's absolutely true that even without goons your still going to find their kind in every sandbox game. Goons just happen to be referenced the most because they are the largest collective of a**holes known on the web. So you are going to run into this issue in any mmo environment.

Anyway seems to figured out the private servers, so that right there solves your problem with SC.

Well said. Right, Goons aren't the worst villains in EVE. They at least have a theme and a developed "brand," complete with some decent multimedia content. That puts them a notch above their typical no-talent-or-creativity griefer asshat peers.
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