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Joining FW: a question about awoxing
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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#1 - 2013-08-28 06:15:11 UTC
I have decided to bite the bullet and join FW, at least for a while. I spend most of my time in plexes anyway so why not earn some LP at the same time? Don't know which side yet but probably defined by the answer to this.

Is there a generally accepted position on awoxing? I tend to be a bit trigger happy and want to know what is usually viewed as acceptable behaviour in FW. I would not shoot anyone in my own corporation of course but what about:

1. NPC FW corp?
2. Other corps in the same militia?
3. Corps in the allied militia (i.e. Gallente for Minmatar)?
4. Allied corps.

Are there any corps that operate on true NBSI with a fairly limited blue list? I enjoy solo so want to maximise the number of possible targets as much as possible.

Any advice? thanks...

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Seraph Castillon
In Control
Neon Nightmares
#2 - 2013-08-28 07:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Castillon
Killing people in your own militia is heavily frowned upon and is generally a bad idea. Why? Because your faction standings will take a nose dive and you'll end up being booted out of the militia.
Killing people in your allied militia (e.g. killing Minmatar as Gallente) is accepted by most people and doesn't hurt your standings. Here is where the NBSI comes in play.

This really goes against the idea of FW, but if you must "maximize potential targets" you could join any one side and then live in the alternate warzone (e.g. join Caldari and live in the Amarr/Minmatar zone). Just know that shooting purples will, in most cases, be nothing more than shooting unsuspecting targets and far from any real or challenging fight.
Tar Noguchi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-08-28 07:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tar Noguchi
Generally frowned apon...however.

I generally warn off obvious farmers if I'm offensive plexing. If they don't take the hint yellow box them. If that doesn't work start shooting (don't scram). Whatever you do don't pod the buggers. It totally screws your standings, which in turn completely screws your ability to run FW missions, which is a damn fine source of LP.

Allied milita are generally viewed with suspicion. If they warp in on a plex, then assume they will try awoxing you.

If you become a known awoxer then the organised corps and players will set red.

Awoxing a known awoxer is fine Big smile

Tar
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#4 - 2013-08-28 07:15:39 UTC
Much clearer, thanks guys.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#5 - 2013-08-28 08:52:09 UTC
Do u really not get stading loss if i ( as caldari ) pop amarr miltia for example ?? frak me i'm stupid ..


Whats the usual avarage standing loss if u pop friendly miltia ? because these farmers are getting on my nerves

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#6 - 2013-08-28 09:33:44 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
Do u really not get stading loss if i ( as caldari ) pop amarr miltia for example ?? frak me i'm stupid ..


Whats the usual avarage standing loss if u pop friendly miltia ? because these farmers are getting on my nerves


Half a warp stab per kill
Tar Noguchi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-08-28 09:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tar Noguchi
Starbuck05 wrote:
Do u really not get stading loss if i ( as caldari ) pop amarr miltia for example ?? frak me i'm stupid ..


Whats the usual avarage standing loss if u pop friendly miltia ? because these farmers are getting on my nerves


I popped a persistent TLF plex poacher. My standings went from near 10 to about negative 5. It was only briefly satisfying. His last words in local were "don't"

It's a long way back...

But to be clear. You don't take the loss for friendly militia...just your own. Pod as many Amarr as you want.
Sgt Doakes XD
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-08-28 11:58:34 UTC
ahahahhaa
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-08-28 12:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
Your statement (OP) about NBSI makes no sense in this context. If you join a Militia, all members of your own and the allied Militia become blue. It is automatic, set within the FW framework. You do not manually set other militia corps blue. But you can manually set them red to override the FW setting.

In terms of standing hits for AWOXing friendly militia pilots. You need to understand what standings are affected and many people get confused on this point.

1. Security Status
2. Empire Faction Standing
3. FW NPC Corp Standing

You will take a security status hit on any friendly or allied militia player you kill as you would a neutral player. Pirate status, criminal/suspect flags, activated kill rights all apply to negate this.

You will NOT take an Empire Faction Standing hit for AWOXING a friendly or allied militia member.

FW NPC Corp - in the case of the Minmatar, this is TLF (Tribal Liberation Force). Your standings to this corp determines the level of FW missions you can accept. Dropping below zero (average corp standing) will get your corp booted from the Militia. When it comes to AWOXing, ONLY killing players actually in the NPC corp (TLF for Minmatar) causes your NPC standing to drop. Now there is bound to be someone disputing this, but I've done it and am certain you take no TLF hit for AWOXing a friendly militia member who is not actually in the TLF. This also means you take no hit for AWOXing a militia member in the allied militia.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#10 - 2013-08-28 12:28:55 UTC
Thanks for the clarification. Glad it's not complicated!

So do you get an empire or NPC corp standings decrease if you kill a player who aggressed you? You would not get a sec hit under these circumstances.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Courath Al'viendi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-08-28 13:59:13 UTC
If the allied militia is even remotely organized they are going to set you to red and they are going to KOS you, so all in all unless you are good at station games plan on getting blapped alot.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#12 - 2013-08-29 19:09:10 UTC
Killing Minmatar while in Gallente is amazingly fun, has no standings loss towards gal, and can lead to great tears.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#13 - 2013-08-29 19:35:13 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. Glad it's not complicated!

So do you get an empire or NPC corp standings decrease if you kill a player who aggressed you? You would not get a sec hit under these circumstances.


Nope. FW stand your ground law :)
Beardon
CRIME CRIME
#14 - 2013-08-31 16:46:39 UTC
If you want to maximize your targets, just join a pirate corp. Militias have enough to deal with without having to worry about someone shooting fellow militia members. At least in Calmil, in light of recent events shooting fellow blues is very frowned upon.
Omega Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-09-02 21:31:26 UTC
Everybody is red to me. Just make sure that you dont awox too much because you can get kicked from faction.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#16 - 2013-09-03 01:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Major Trant wrote:

You will NOT take an Empire Faction Standing hit for AWOXING a friendly or allied militia member.


Incorrect. Aggressing, killing or podding members of your own militia will result in a minor, modorate, and insane empire faction standing hit. in that order.

This is on top of the NPC militia corp hit you will take.

There are no standings hits on any level for any interaction with an 'allied' militia pilot.

Zappity wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. Glad it's not complicated!

So do you get an empire or NPC corp standings decrease if you kill a player who aggressed you? You would not get a sec hit under these circumstances.


If someone aggresses you first, you will recieve no penalty at all, no matter who they are.

I could be wrong here, but on top of all that, if someone aggresses you accidentally, it may be possible to aggress them back within the 15 minutes to prevent either side from taking any standings hit, as long as no one dies. I believe ive seen this in practice but ive never had a chance to duplicate it.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-09-05 18:58:58 UTC
If you want to fight everyone, dont join FW. If you are stupid enough to pop friendlies on a regular basis, you wont be alive long enough to plex any LP anyhow.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#18 - 2013-09-06 08:16:25 UTC
Got awoxed myself last night, some russian chap saw me as red flashy and was like OMG IMA GONNA PEW HIS FACE.

I informed him very politely he was about to get killed a lot. I then get the isk for my loss back and an apology.

I learned some new things, like google translate is awesome, russian chaps aren't so bad if you manage to actually get some kind of comms going, I miss my god damn wolf and it wasn't a nice way for that particular ship to die Cry

Anyway, it was the first time an amarr has ever tried to awox me. Not sure if that's indicative of anything nor am I sure it's an actual true awox in this case.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-09-06 17:01:17 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
Got awoxed myself last night, some russian chap saw me as red flashy and was like OMG IMA GONNA PEW HIS FACE.

I informed him very politely he was about to get killed a lot. I then get the isk for my loss back and an apology.

I learned some new things, like google translate is awesome, russian chaps aren't so bad if you manage to actually get some kind of comms going, I miss my god damn wolf and it wasn't a nice way for that particular ship to die Cry

Anyway, it was the first time an amarr has ever tried to awox me. Not sure if that's indicative of anything nor am I sure it's an actual true awox in this case.


Yeah, we get this a lot. People need to learn how to setup their overview correctly to have milita tags override criminal flags.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment