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Offline POs = no shield.
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Souverainiste
The W.O.L.F
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#1 - 2013-09-04 00:17:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Souverainiste
Hello good people,

I was bashing a POS the other day and to my surprise, the pos still had it's shield up even if it was only anchored. By shield I mean when I am firing, I have to clear all 3 bars, and not only armor + hull. NOT the actual force field.

Anchored = The structure is there, but it is not producing ANY power, has no resources inside and is basically just orbiting a moon and that's it.

Could we eventually remove 50% or 100% of it's shield so it fits some kind of law of physics that says: If you aint got no power, you aint got no defences.

It would be very appreciated and would clean up the space, removing useless POS that are sitting there unused by people that don't even play anymore :)

Best regards.

An idea that makes a lot of sense from a player:

Gizznitt Malikite wrote:


Rather than alter their shields, how about we simply advocate a method of reclaiming an offline tower.

Call it the Reclamation Processor:

Target tower that is offline, start tower reclamation processor.
20 minutes to cycle.
If the tower has stront in it, at the end of the cycle the tower enters RF until the stront runs out.
If the tower doesn't have stront, it reverts to an unanchored state, and anyone can scoop it.
This is an agressive action, and you will lose sec status (in empire space) and even be concorded if you don't have an active wardec with the corp owning the POS.
It also will generate a "POS is under attack" notification to all Corp members with the appropriate role.

This
a.) Requires time to implment, an you can't wardec instantly.
b.) Provides a window to address the offline POS as long as you have stront in it.
c.) Gives the "POS reclaimer" a reward for removing the space trash.

Everyone wins, and no one loses (except people that use offline POS's to "save moon locations" in highsec).
Cade Windstalker
#2 - 2013-09-04 00:19:43 UTC
You lost me at "mimics physics".

Also you should probably clarify that "shield" means the shield HP bar, not the POS bubble and reinforce timer.
Ereshgikal
Wharf Crusaders
#3 - 2013-09-04 02:00:41 UTC
Souverainiste wrote:

Could we eventually remove 50% or 100% of it's shield so it fits some kind of law of physics that says: If you aint got no power, you aint got no defences.


I like the idea of removing the shield HP of an offline POS, but if you look at a ship that is neuted to hell and back, it still has its shield.... so that argument doesn't stick.

I prefer the argument "so I can kill them easier". It is clear and truthful. ;)
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#4 - 2013-09-04 05:20:20 UTC
Ereshgikal wrote:
Souverainiste wrote:

Could we eventually remove 50% or 100% of it's shield so it fits some kind of law of physics that says: If you aint got no power, you aint got no defences.


I like the idea of removing the shield HP of an offline POS, but if you look at a ship that is neuted to hell and back, it still has its shield.... so that argument doesn't stick.

I prefer the argument "so I can kill them easier". It is clear and truthful. ;)


Ship's still have PG to work with, capacitor is used to run module functions, while powergrid is used to keep the constantly online. At least that's how I think it works

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#5 - 2013-09-04 05:22:31 UTC
The forcefield isn't the shield.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2013-09-04 05:37:35 UTC
You're confusing a POS Force Field (the bubble that requires fuel to keep open) with the Shields of a Control Tower.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#7 - 2013-09-04 13:47:44 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
You lost me at "mimics physics".

Also you should probably clarify that "shield" means the shield HP bar, not the POS bubble and reinforce timer.

that's why he said shield and not forcefield?
Souverainiste
The W.O.L.F
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#8 - 2013-09-05 22:59:57 UTC
I am not confusing anything here.

I DO mean the SHIELD. The POS is in hibernation mode (not online) thus should not have its shield up.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2013-09-06 02:47:07 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Souverainiste wrote:
I am not confusing anything here.

I DO mean the SHIELD. The POS is in hibernation mode (not online) thus should not have its shield up.



Everything else keeps their shield HP when Anchored but offline, why should POSes be different?

Being Online affects a POS's ability to provide a protective Force Field and to use modules (as well as the resistances of those modules), not its HP.


Oh, and
Souverainiste wrote:
not producing ANY power


[Citation Needed]

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sigras
Conglomo
#10 - 2013-09-06 06:30:55 UTC
does that mean that sov structures dont produce any power either? This makes no sense.
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#11 - 2013-09-07 14:32:00 UTC
if the tower is offline so is it's reactor. if it isnt burning guel blocks neither it's PG or CPU is on. I would support this change as it would make clearing away derelict towers much easier

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Souverainiste
The W.O.L.F
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#12 - 2013-09-09 23:14:56 UTC
ExookiZ wrote:
if the tower is offline so is it's reactor. if it isnt burning guel blocks neither it's PG or CPU is on. I would support this change as it would make clearing away derelict towers much easier


There. Clearing abandonned POS in high sec is a pain due to ship restrictions. This change would make it easier to remove these structures and would make sense since the tower, out of fuel, doesnt have enough energy to power up it's shield.

Sov structures DO NOT use any form of fuel so it is not comparable.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#13 - 2013-09-10 01:01:53 UTC
I think if a POS is offline you should be able to bump, tractor or otherwise move it away.
"Hey, where'd our POS go?"

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tomas Brandhart
Trick N Treat
#14 - 2013-09-10 03:32:26 UTC
I agree to the removal of the shield buffer on offline POS that are just anchored in space.Big smile
It makes no sense that it should have a shield buffer on it when its offline and just anchored in space.
Tbh it anoy`s the **** out of ppl that try to remove it, especially in highsec where u cannot call in caps to burn it down fast and need hours after hours to destroy it Ugh

Id like to see some changes on POS and structures in general when it comes to Offline pos structures and Online ones
Souverainiste
The W.O.L.F
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#15 - 2013-09-11 17:22:54 UTC
Tomas Brandhart wrote:
I agree to the removal of the shield buffer on offline POS that are just anchored in space.Big smile
It makes no sense that it should have a shield buffer on it when its offline and just anchored in space.
Tbh it anoy`s the **** out of ppl that try to remove it, especially in highsec where u cannot call in caps to burn it down fast and need hours after hours to destroy it Ugh

Id like to see some changes on POS and structures in general when it comes to Offline pos structures and Online ones


Exactly the point. Both objectives would be met: Logically, a machine can not work without power, even less produce a shield, and convenience for players trying to remove an abandonned tower to actually use theirs.
HTC NecoSino
Suddenly Carebears
#16 - 2013-09-11 17:32:14 UTC
Idea Let's just remove ownership from offline towers and let people scoop them.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#17 - 2013-09-11 17:33:55 UTC
Offline POS explodes after 1 Week.

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nerdman234
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#18 - 2013-09-11 18:10:32 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

Everything else keeps their shield HP when Anchored but offline, why should POSes be different?


Because not everything else has tens of millions of HP and bases resists.

One possible solution is to make the forcefield itself the shield. This means missiles/ rounds will hit it and not pass through the forcefield. Yes, I'm aware that it doesn't work that way because of (insert lore reference here) and (insert RL physics comparison here), but it's always bothered me that my missiles just fly through the shield and and hit the structure, ignoring anything they pass through. I feel it would also look pretty neat to see missiles/ rounds hit the shield.

Note: I am aware that using the POS tower as the target means that dreads can't rub up to 0 on the POS and punch holes. I think the part you target should still be the POS tower and the effect would be graphical only.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#19 - 2013-09-11 18:33:37 UTC
Better idea. Let's require fuel blocks for our spaceships to work at all.

That way OP's starbases and everything else is the same. Fuel blocks for everything!

Katrina Oniseki
Kirtar Makanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-09-11 18:47:43 UTC
nerdman234 wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

Everything else keeps their shield HP when Anchored but offline, why should POSes be different?


Because not everything else has tens of millions of HP and bases resists.

SBUs have ten million shield HP with 50% resists. Ihubs have 75 million, though without base resists. TCUs, which have the least EHP of the sovereignty structures have 10 million shield HP without any base resists.
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