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Web bonus for the Tornado?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#1 - 2013-09-05 14:01:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
I am very glad that CCP saw reason and reinstated web bonuses for marauders to deal with small ships, but there are ships that need the same thing far more urgently. The Tornado and Oracle, for example, have no drones (unlike the marauders) and can have lots of trouble hitting small ships that tackle them. How about a web bonus? What is a Tornado pilot supposed to do when a frigate -- even a crappy NPC frigate -- gets on top of him, huh?

Your move, CCP.

Ed:Marauder thread. Educate yourself before posting, please.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-05 14:07:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I am very glad that CCP saw reason and reinstated web bonuses for marauders to deal with small ships, but there are ships that need the same thing far more urgently. The Tornado and Oracle, for example, have no drones (unlike the marauders) and can have lots of trouble hitting small ships that tackle them. How about a web bonus? What is a Tornado pilot supposed to do when a frigate -- even a crappy NPC frigate -- gets on top of him, huh?

Your move, CCP.

Ed:Marauder thread. Educate yourself before posting, please.


Friends are fantastic to have? Have a corp member jump in a frigate to deal with those faster moving ships?

Editing while I was posting, fantastic.
Rudina
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-09-05 14:08:19 UTC
You have three choices:

1) Don't get tackled.
2) Have friends to help when you get tackled.
3) Die
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2013-09-05 14:09:33 UTC
So much for any sort of solo or small gang usefulness, then? What about PvE? They're completely useless there without a web bonus!

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-05 14:11:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
I think it's concluded that tier 3 BC's are either snipers or in your face hit and run type of ships. OMB what about my Proteus, what will I do if a fast frig tackles me.......CCP do something! DO SOMETHING!!!!!

Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So much for any sort of solo or small gang usefulness, then? What about PvE? They're completely useless there without a web bonus!


Me and two other snipers in an Oracle, Naga & Talos got 5 kills the other night on a fail fit pos. Don't even complain about small gang usefulness!

Don't ban me, bro!
Rudina
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-09-05 14:13:56 UTC
Soloing in a tornado is easy, it involves sitting 100-150 from a gate, poping idiots who come through and running from anything that tries to tackle you.

Same with small gang, except you can kill bigger things.

As for PVE, Tier 3 BCs are one of the most popular pve ships in 0.0 among lover skilled/poorer pilots.
Motorbit
Moira.
#7 - 2013-09-05 14:14:15 UTC
yeah, abc are halpless against smal ships.
so what? they make very fast and quite cheap snipers that are usefull in many types of engagements.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#8 - 2013-09-05 14:17:29 UTC
OP comparing Tech 2 battleships, a couple of which already had a web bonus, with attack battlecrusiers.

Roles boy, DO YOU KNOW THEM?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#9 - 2013-09-05 14:17:54 UTC
Rudina wrote:
As for PVE, Tier 3 BCs are one of the most popular pve ships in 0.0 among lover skilled/poorer pilots.

So adding a web bonus would help newbies. I don't see how that's a problem? The Vigilant is faster, tankier, has drones, and still gets a web bonus. The Tornado does not do any of those things, and can't even web stuff. CCP needs to fix it, it's useless.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2013-09-05 14:19:44 UTC
We haven't decided on anything regarding Marauders yet regarding web bonuses, remember until release this is an open discussion we're having.

We will still be running internal tests on both proposed versions on the Marauder thread, as well as some other variations - so consider yourself warned if things evolve in the future.
Rudina
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-09-05 14:22:00 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

So adding a web bonus would help newbies. I don't see how that's a problem? The Vigilant is faster, tankier, has drones, and still gets a web bonus. The Tornado does not do any of those things, and can't even web stuff. CCP needs to fix it, it's useless.


The vigilant is 4 times more expensive and can't apply 3/4 of its dps past 20k, saying this as someone who loves the vigilant.

And as the ship with the 6th most kills this month the tornado plainly isn't useless.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2013-09-05 14:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I am very glad that CCP saw reason and reinstated web bonuses for marauders to deal with small ships, but there are ships that need the same thing far more urgently. The Tornado and Oracle, for example, have no drones (unlike the marauders) and can have lots of trouble hitting small ships that tackle them.
Being horrible against smaller — and even same-class — ships is kind of the point in their case…
If anything, the Talos should lose its drones rather than the other ABCs gaining small-target capabilities.
Rudina
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2013-09-05 14:24:07 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
We haven't decided on anything regarding Marauders yet regarding web bonuses, remember until release this is an open discussion we're having.

We will still be running internal tests on both proposed versions on the Marauder thread, as well as some other variations - so consider yourself warned if things evolve in the future.


If you're still watching this thread you know the easiest way to limit bastion-tanking while still having them be usefull is to limit cargo bay size right? - No cap boosters no tank.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#14 - 2013-09-05 14:26:30 UTC
Rudina wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
We haven't decided on anything regarding Marauders yet regarding web bonuses, remember until release this is an open discussion we're having.

We will still be running internal tests on both proposed versions on the Marauder thread, as well as some other variations - so consider yourself warned if things evolve in the future.


If you're still watching this thread you know the easiest way to limit bastion-tanking while still having them be usefull is to limit cargo bay size right? - No cap boosters no tank.

I don't think AARs are limited by cargo bay very much, but veering off topic.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#15 - 2013-09-05 14:27:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I am very glad that CCP saw reason and reinstated web bonuses for marauders to deal with small ships, but there are ships that need the same thing far more urgently. The Tornado and Oracle, for example, have no drones (unlike the marauders) and can have lots of trouble hitting small ships that tackle them.
Being horrible against smaller — and even same-class — ships is kind of the point in their case…
If anything, the Talos should lose its drones rather than the other ABCs gaining small-target capabilities.


Some believe that every ship should be great against every other ship and if it's not it's a bad ship. Their really protesting their own lack of creativity and awareness lol.
Anuminas Alland
Aspergus Carebearnaise
#16 - 2013-09-05 14:29:17 UTC
10/10 troll got the attention of both a dev AND Tippia - on the front page.

Well done, Petrus Blackshell.
bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#17 - 2013-09-05 14:31:12 UTC
I agree with op. A web bonus AND a smartbomb bonus. Something like 500% to range and 200% to damage per level. For the next expansion, how about adding a BC tier 3 T2 with a bonus to plex? -15% to plex price per level.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-09-05 14:32:59 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I am very glad that CCP saw reason and reinstated web bonuses for marauders to deal with small ships, but there are ships that need the same thing far more urgently. The Tornado and Oracle, for example, have no drones (unlike the marauders) and can have lots of trouble hitting small ships that tackle them. How about a web bonus? What is a Tornado pilot supposed to do when a frigate -- even a crappy NPC frigate -- gets on top of him, huh?

Your move, CCP.

Ed:Marauder thread. Educate yourself before posting, please.

They were never intended to hit small ships imo.
Tornados die to frigs - deal with it.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#19 - 2013-09-05 14:33:54 UTC
bloodknight2 wrote:
I agree with op. A web bonus AND a smartbomb bonus. Something like 500% to range and 200% to damage per level. For the next expansion, how about adding a BC tier 3 T2 with a bonus to plex? -15% to plex price per level.

Seems a bit OP... it might be fine though, to help with new player retention.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2013-09-05 14:34:09 UTC
Anuminas Alland wrote:
10/10 troll got the attention of both a dev AND Tippia - on the front page.
Those aren't really good points of reference.

Devs have to treat even silly suggestions as if they were serious, even if just to point out that they're silly, and I treat trolls as if they were serious because they're useful proxies for the morons who genuinely hold the beliefs the trolls are parroting (and they always exist Straight).
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