EVE General Discussion

I routinely multibox 3 accounts - and i'm very aware you can do that.
But you can run ten SHOOTING ships at the same time?
The best i can see is running three ships with fighters assigned - Any more than that and you're losing in efficiency big-time.
Perhaps you can get 4, or 5 - but you really think you can get 10-15 ships on field, shooting? And not in laggy fleet pvp, in pve - where you have targets every 10s, or less.

I am not aware of people simultaneously running 10 accounts to run anomalies, but I do not doubt that somebody has tried it. But, more importantly:



I was responding to the statement about multi-boxing while shooting stuff. At best, I run two accounts for PVE. But others with whom I interact will run 3 - 4 separate characters in PvE activities. It isn't something that I would want to do, but it is done commonly. I am also aware of people running 2 - 3 active PvP toons (including myself) who are doing the shooty shooty thing. Some adventurous PvP pilots may even run more clients. Ships range from zippy sub-caps all the way up to the largest ships in EVE.

I don't want to get into a spat about numbers, rather I believe that it is relevant that the record is set straight regarding multi-boxing, PvE and PvP.

Thanks.

Remove this mineral drops from drones its stupid. If ppl likes to mine allow them ! Dont ruin this game anymore. It was game about mining and fighting for resources. Mining should be the only source of minerals in eve.

Thank you

you have a point... I don't have hard evidence...
but...
read a little all forum discussions about mining and drones and loot in last 2 years and you will see many many good points on that...
like...
prices before and after drone regions were implemented... but... that's rubbish evidence to you... i know...

And where is your evidence on "few hundred people ratting drones" LOL
few hundred??? ...you must be joking... right???

I didn't say "put bounty" or "make more inflation"...
but...
whats the difference about monetary inflation and inflation of some goods???
I don't see a difference... minerals ARE isk for indy ppl!!!

And if you can AFK mine in low sec or WH or 0.0... then i applaud you...
then you are botter that make so much isk that would not give a damn even about few hulks lost per day... or are member of one huge 0.0 empire and mine in protection of large fleet...

and when we are at AFKing... whats then with AFKing lvl4 missions???
much more isk in there and are done afk...

And skills... no... they aren't long at all... hulk/orca skilling for max yield (no one would mine at all for anything less) and ok defense... that you can do in trial... /sarcasm off

and about drops... did you read what i wrote and what other ppl wrote... at least a little?
didn't think so...

end egoism... well... you are definition of it... just looking whats good for you... and not give a damn do you hurting other group of ppl...
even not not give a damn do your egoism hurting EVE itself...
it would be great for EVE that things get a little more $$$ so that ppl use T1 things too...
it would be great for EVE that ppl use smaller ships too... ships that are driven only by noobs and then forgotten...
it would be great for EVE that we see all range of ships in space and not only T2 and T3 variants with faction/deadspace fit...
it would be great for EVE that ppl use sub-caps over only SC blobs in low/zero sec...
but some ppl think larger -> better... well that's telling something about them...

"If I were a miner"
I know that you are not because you don't know what you are talking about...
and i think that CCPs intention isn't to make game with only one profession... because that game would be dead a long time ago...


* writing in hurry - sorry for errors

Isn't clearly written...

but i agree... especially with second part... :)

It was game about mining and fighting for resources. Mining should be the only source of minerals in eve.

Using multiboxing tools, ala click replicators, is (or atleast was) a bannable offense, i actually remember someone using 12 mouses stomped together to get around that.
With use of those out, i don't think he could manage 25 accounts: but stil.
You CAN do 10 accounts, but it'll be at a big loss of efficiency, and the point becomes more "woot 10 acconts" and less "woot 10x the isk" - running 3 separate missions on 3 separate chars is already kind of harsh (but perhaps i'm not trained enough)

Then they'll need to harden the fuck up. Mineral Compression is ridiculous nonsense which has fueled several detrimental trends in Eve and should be removed sooner rather than later.

Of course 0.0 will still need its minerals to come from somewhere else (like a huge buff to 0.0 mining as part of a general industrial revamp) to make up the shortfall.

This man have a point...


why would ppl fight when they don't have a reason to fight?
EVE was based on fighting for resources and CCP is now giving resources to everyone... what ever they do...
what ever you do you get minerals... you kill - you get minerals, you salvage - you get minerals and on last place in this chain is mining...
well... this chain is toooo long...

eve is ocean of resources... to make it interesting for many ppl and not only one group you need to make tap (only a tap) for each resource so that you need to want to get to that tap to fill your jug with only that resource...
that way you make game more diverse... you can do many different things to get different resources... and you need to have people to do many diffetent things to have all resources (from many different taps) that you need to prosper.

in short: you need to get rid of that first two hoops in this chain of minerals.

Why not change drone minerals to drop only very, very small amounts of high-ends? Enough so that significant grinding allows production for newer groups in highsec but not so much that it infringes on null/lowsec mining. Either that or very, very small amounts of moongoo for T2 production.

While we're on the subject, lowsec/nullsec mining needs a buff. The current problem is the risk/reward for gankers. People can say "bring a fleet of PvPers to protect you!", but this can be easily countered by bringing high-alpha snipers. Bring a bunch of artypests or artycanes, warp in at 100, pop some miners, warp out before any real danger presents itself. That's too easy IMO, and that's coming from a lowsec pirate who loves easy ganks. Now, I'm no video game designer, so take this idea with a pinch of salt, but I'd like to see something like this:

A new siege module for the Orca and a buff to the current one on the Rorqual. This module will project the shield of the ship it is fitted to to a 10KM radius.

1. Any ship (excluding the projecting ship) can't be targeted within this shield.
2. Any ship inside this field cannot target other ships.
3. The projecting ship cannot move while this is active.
4. This shield has a cycle time of 5 minutes, and consumes Strontium.
5. Ships cannot warp from inside the shield - they have to wait for the shield to drop, or they have to burn outside of it.
6. The shield relies directly on the ship projecting it. To balance this, the module grants an active shield tanking bonus (I'll leave you to do the numbers).
7. This module also provides a mining buff to members of the fleet, in the same way a ganklink would.
8. This module cannot be used in highsec - THIS IS IMPORTANT. Why? Suddenly you've got a module that makes mining more efficient, which means more minerals, which means more profit. But it requires you to go to unsafe space to use it. Risk vs. reward.

The point of this is to balance the current risk/reward to low and nullsec mining by offering some appreciable protection for miners, whilst forcing them to put a pricey ship (Orca or Rorqual) on the line, and allowing them to better fill the role of mining support ship. It also means that bringing a defence fleet will be a valid tactic in basically all situations, as the attacking force has to stick around and fight. Attacking a mining op turns from a quick gank into a situation requiring tactics and an actual fight.

It also gives people something to fight for, which is something sorely lacking in lowsec. Back in the day of static DED complexes you could find fights on the gates to those basically all the time, because there was an actual resource to fight for, and it was fun. Lots of fun. People need actual resources to fight for, and this is a prime example of where you could give them one.

Just my 2 ISK cents.

Random Thought that needs working out:

Why not have drones drop moon-goo.......

Pros:
The lack of local sources of moongoo is one of the major hindrances to null-sec industry. Drone plexes are available in all spaces, thereby potentially providing a small source of goo to all regions.

The isk from tech moons rarely goes to individuals, but to Corp / Corp leaders. This would move some of that value back into Average Joe's pocket.

Cons:
The isk from tech moons is a major source of conflict within EvE. If you devalue the moon too much, it will no longer be such a tasty target.

Drone Belt Farming (*cough* botting ) has already shown its ability to massively influence the EvE market. If this is not properly balanced, the results could be devistating.