Skill Discussions

Ok! i have been a mining foreman for some years in game and the recent changes are un- acceptable in my eyes here`s why.

And at the end i`ll suggest some changes that would better fit everyone.

Here is the fit i use and i am looking for clarification on why ccp (aka Crappy Computer Programming) chose to nerf it in such a way a specific issue respect of it`s setup and how i use the ship for mining in Null.
Rorqual T2 High slots have the usual Optimization/Field/Harvester Capacitor Safeguard. Followed by a industrial Core I !! (still waiting on the industrial Core II of course) then the remaining to highs would be Siege Warfare shield efficiency & a Siege Warfare active shielding. Now bear in mind all leadership skills are at lvl 5 (YES ALL) so i`m using T2 links. now after the changes the siege links will not work inside the force field Are CCP so lazy and Stupid that they could not adjust the programming to accommodate it in such a way as to allow the use of these mods despite the fact that i`m getting and i`m sure there are others like me that have a similar fit a very small amount out of those mods as i`m not in a siege fit with the siege mind link. Or do they propose a mining foreman mind link of equitable stature as the siege links provided (that would be my suggestion) bear in mind i`m not running the siege link in the head just the mining foreman link. Personally i think there to lazy to nerf it the right way or they think that someone will exploit it. for the percentage gain would there be any point it now has made the Rorquals in pos extra slots pretty much redundant in my eyes .


Now as you can see i was using All of the high slots with gang boosters. But i am not using the Siege Mindlink in the head of the pilot giving the mining boosts. The small amount of the boost they give only add to a bonus to the miners on Field and do not effect them as a siege mind link would.

Now on to the in-balance they have effectively created in doing this.




The miners already are borderline survival with the Rorqual setup i have given despite high skills in shields. So if this is the case that the modules would be non effective or not able to be on-lined or active then there is no balance for the generic Hulk ? no matter where you mine and in effect it would actually make miners mining in say sansha`s space more vulnerable to the rats. as a first point of in-balance. Now i can understand if the changes to the combat ships outside a pos shield with a mind link to that specific race or module would have to be outside to be effective. Hope this post gets the desired needed attention. To betray my concerns about balance and in-balance effectively if not i would like to discuss this further to be more specific about what i`m saying. A Dedicated miner since i started playing. So To summarize Mind link for mining boosts + No mind link for Siege or Armor, Skirmish, Information, Etc (although the latter would be silly) mods still works. but only for the small amount it gives for the miners as a generic use without the mind link. then All other combat mods in use outside the pos shields i would consider balanced.

Make it so mind links work inside for any module but only give there generic amount no mind link bonuses or introduce some additional modules to compensate for skilled people that thought outside the box on the setup and did the skill training.




Bump this thread if you feel it could be adjusted and help someone to think outside the box a little more.

Hell bump it troll it just make it noticed people CCP are killing there own game fr




And whats with the american spelling all the time in the spell checker FFS the langauge is english and aborted and mutilated by the americans.

There "idea" is to make the miners and their booster an even easier target. as far as i can tell thats what the last 2 patches have been all about. first they make the hidden belts so any noob with a ship can find them, now they want to get the boosters out of the shields.

Looks like CCP wants a pure PVP game and that is not what EVE is suposed to be all about. they have taken every oppertunity to put an even bigger target on the null sec miners.

looks like CCP can even dstroy their own consept of a player based game and turn it so that they just keep the PVPer's happy.

Industrial Core
3x Mining Links
Clone Bay
Cloak

why a cloak?

Consider it insurance. If you cyno into system and bounce off a station (or cyno to a jump beacon), and then a hostile enters system, you can cloak up instantly to get safe while you cap up to jump.

Is the Clone bay and Cloak providing the same utility to your fleet as 2x shield links?

No, deal with it.

Oh No, miners can't permatank NPC's while alt tabbed because they don't have Siege links.

Bring in a Siege boosting character to park at a safespot providing links. He can run all three, and be mindlinked to boot. Furthermore, given all the PvP'ers crying over the loss of completely safe OGBs, you can probably find a bargain character on the Bazaar.

Alternatively, bring in a character to play sentry. Have the sentry blap or Jam the rats. An ABC works great for this.

If you can't do any of the above, please give your stuff to a friend, ctrl-q, and have a nice life. The changes CCP made are very much for the better, and just because your niche situation must change doesn't mean CCP is doing a terrible job.

P.S. Childishly insult me again, and I'll consider parking an AFK cloaker in your Nullsec mining system until the next release, just to give you something more to whine about!

I used to do the same as the OP, but it is easy to adapt, albeit requiring another account.

Example: You can put siege links on a Vulture and orbit a POS, skimming the edge of the force field.

I obtained an armor booster character and trained him to also do siege, as the change as been announced for many months. The added jump clones skills, as well as faction mindlinks, make using different mindlink implant sets easier.

This is so offtopic and just wrong that I'm not even sure how to respond. Did you.post in the wrong thread or something?

Allow the hulk to fit 1 warfare link. The more hulks, the more active warfare links can be had on grid by miners.

That's only if you only have 1 squad worth of guys, Most real mining fleets big enough to warrant a Rorqual are going to be at least a full Wing in size.

So you likely have:
FC Rorqual
WC CommandShip with Seige Links
A Hulk in each Squad command Position with an Information Warfare link or some other useful link
or if you are running protection fleet, each Squad commander in a BC with a Link or 2

On Grid Boosting with the current command structure doesn't really work with mining, most of the time you'll have at max 1 full squad per belt, unless you happen to be in one of the old styled ice belts where mining the same asteroid isn't an issue(or something of equal size/amount of ore).

if you were doing siege links with the rorq, that was already incredibly lazy. you should have a dedicated boosting pilot, preferably the same one tanking and killing rats.

currently you can have said pilot sitting on a sleipnir with navy mindlinks of awesome, so even when the links got weaker, the fact that you can have 2 sets of boosts with 3 active links, AND a proficient combat ship on grid, is certainly a buff.

not to mention the navy mindlinks give 2 15% boosts. (my head exploded when i noticed that, its pretty awesome.)