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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#1 - 2013-09-04 20:02:33 UTC
Ya, thanks CCP. These hac changes are awful. First you take a working kiting ship and turn it into a brawler (vaga) and then you dont even give the Munin a real role? It's way more expensive than both cane and tornado and the Munin is worse then both of those, lol. It cant even compare in short range anymore because you took away its hi slot to!

Way to "buff".....

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#2 - 2013-09-04 20:05:18 UTC
Yea ccp just hate Minmater, all other races have proper brawling hacs: Sacrilege, Eagle, Diemos. Munin is the less tanky and damaging of all of them. WTF?

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2013-09-04 20:05:42 UTC
The nerfing shall continue until morale improves.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Mac Tir
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-09-04 20:10:25 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Yea ccp just hate Minmater


Yeah, he's new here
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-09-04 20:11:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
1st post... was a good catch... second one... started coming of as a bit of attention whoring.

3rd one is just to much. Now you guys are trying to hard.

I do like the extra DPS I get from the munin. Bloody good stuff with that extra low slot.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#6 - 2013-09-04 20:13:46 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
1st post... was a good catch... second one... started coming of as a bit of attention whoring.

3rd one is just to much. Now you guys are trying to hard.

I do like the extra DPS I get from the munin. Bloody good stuff with that extra low slot.


I'm trying to counsel them right now, but they're a bit full of themselves at the moment.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#7 - 2013-09-04 20:20:50 UTC
The Munin has always struggled a bit to find it's place (although I enjoyed flying them occasionally anyway)... but I'm pretty sure I can kill a Tornado with a Munin with little difficulty in a ranged fight (or at least force him to flee).

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Rengerel en Distel
#8 - 2013-09-04 20:29:46 UTC
What's great about EVE is that if you don't like a ship, you don't have to fly it. They also had threads up about the changes for quite a while, you could have added your opinions there.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Nick Kumamoto
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-09-04 20:39:21 UTC
A sniping 250mm Rail Eagle can make a serious effort to ruin the day of a small gang of frigates and destroyers. So I don't know if the HACs are all bad. QuestionStraight

Most of what I write in terms of posts and/or comments is meant as "tongue-in-cheek", i.e. part irony, part sarcasm but meant in good fun.

On a more serious note. I want to marry CCP karkur. Is there a EVE dating service I can call?

Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#10 - 2013-09-04 20:48:33 UTC
Nick Kumamoto wrote:
[Post indicating that the Eagle may be useful]


I never thought I'd see the day...
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#11 - 2013-09-04 21:00:04 UTC
Berendas wrote:
Nick Kumamoto wrote:
[Post indicating that the Eagle may be useful]


I never thought I'd see the day...

Dogs and cats.... living together...

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-09-04 21:43:45 UTC
I agree that the Munin is still useless.

The Vagabond was not nerfed at all. You can still fly it as a kiter the same as before. The velocity bonus was traded for a shield boost bonus, and added onto the hull itself.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-09-04 23:08:46 UTC
no problem with muninns over here.
Oggat
The Adam's Family
#14 - 2013-09-04 23:52:50 UTC
Filthy swarms, skittering about in the dark like an infestation. Divine judgment is upon you Minmatar scum!!

shrivel in fear at the might of the almighty! You will learn the value of humility or you will be purged.

Empress Jamyl is your only hope, that she might show you mercy.

Get
On
Your
Knees

faithless one.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#15 - 2013-09-05 00:30:59 UTC
Emperor Arrach Sarum. CE 21423 wrote:
Run and you shall be crushed.
Stand and you shall fall.
Kneel and you shall be saved.

Katrina Oniseki
Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#16 - 2013-09-05 00:32:23 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Ya, thanks CCP. These hac changes are awful. First you take a working kiting ship and turn it into a brawler (vaga) and then you dont even give the Munin a real role? It's way more expensive than both cane and tornado and the Munin is worse then both of those, lol. It cant even compare in short range anymore because you took away its hi slot to!

Way to "buff".....


ROFL learn to engage brain before mouth.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#17 - 2013-09-05 00:51:32 UTC
Oggat wrote:
Empress Jamyl is your only hope, that she might show you mercy.


Can the glorious Empress Jamyl convert my skillpoints?
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-09-05 00:56:18 UTC
We shall endure the nerfdom and await the day we may once more call ourselves "winmatar"

(All in all. 1/10 for doubleposty baww)

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Literally Space Moses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-09-05 02:28:53 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Ya, thanks CCP. These hac changes are awful. First you take a working kiting ship and turn it into a brawler (vaga) and then you dont even give the Munin a real role? It's way more expensive than both cane and tornado and the Munin is worse then both of those, lol. It cant even compare in short range anymore because you took away its hi slot to!

Way to "buff".....


How exactly was the vaga changed from a kiter to a brawler? Isn't it just the same ship, but with better stats and an additional bonus?

#T2013
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#20 - 2013-09-05 06:27:19 UTC
I think we need a verdict from the Master of Muninns- Elo Knight
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