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Minmatar Militia, move to Black Rise and shoot everybody?
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Takeshi Otomo
Itinerant Empire
#1 - 2013-09-04 17:21:35 UTC
Posting on an alt obviously;

This question came to mind yesterday and I'm wondering if it's feasible or not. Essentially, Minmatar militia kind of sucks right now for PVP since BIO evicted all our pew pew buddies in Amarr, so we were looking at options to find PVP in the future. An idea that came up for my corp was that we could potentially move to Black Rise, stay in Minmatar militia so we could fund PVP with LP still, and just shoot everyone both Gallente and Caldari. Essentially we'd be like one of the local pirate corps, only still able to collect LP from Caldari plexes.

Is this viable? As I understand it our militia standings won't take any hits, and faction standings against Gallente won't really be affected much by shooting their pilots... is there any reason not to do this?
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#2 - 2013-09-04 17:53:42 UTC
I have heard many people voice this logic for moving to the other side and almost without exception they are unhappy with the move. The battlefield is a lot different. The tactics are a lot different. Etc., etc....

Besides, this is all part of Comrade CCP's marvelous and farseeing strategy. You wish for a balancing mechanic? They give you unrelenting boredom. You have months ahead of you of:

Obnoxious farmers.
Little to no PvP.
PvP being solo or small group in nature. Want fleet action? Tough ****.
Friends stop logging in.
Friends trickle over to the dark side.
Friends going to Null (obviously CCP's masterplan) where they will join Larry, Curly, or Moe. Which makes no difference since they are all related anyways.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#3 - 2013-09-04 17:56:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Takeshi Otomo wrote:
Posting on an alt obviously;

This question came to mind yesterday and I'm wondering if it's feasible or not. Essentially, Minmatar militia kind of sucks right now for PVP since BIO evicted all our pew pew buddies in Amarr, so we were looking at options to find PVP in the future. An idea that came up for my corp was that we could potentially move to Black Rise, stay in Minmatar militia so we could fund PVP with LP still, and just shoot everyone both Gallente and Caldari. Essentially we'd be like one of the local pirate corps, only still able to collect LP from Caldari plexes.

Is this viable? As I understand it our militia standings won't take any hits, and faction standings against Gallente won't really be affected much by shooting their pilots... is there any reason not to do this?



There are some Minnie corps who have done this with varying degrees of success. But you will find it tough to make LP by offensive plexing since Caldari only have 20 systems left.

Most who have tried this method have gotten ROFLstomped by Gallente blob. Word gets out very quickly as to which Minnie corps are shooting Gallente and you will be set red by most of the major organizations.

And Zarnak is correct. The warzone is completely different up here. The kitchen sink mentality that exists in Minnie space doesn't work in Blackrise/Placid.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Takeshi Otomo
Itinerant Empire
#4 - 2013-09-04 18:00:09 UTC
Oh we'd tell Gallente and ask to be set red. We're a PVP corp, not Awoxers :)


Interesting that people have tried this and been unhappy with it, possibly not a brilliant idea after all :/

Any easy way to get a less than 60 person corp into Caldari or Amarr militia with bad standings to both factions?
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#5 - 2013-09-04 18:10:32 UTC
There is no easy way to do it. Why not just go pirate and shoot everyone?

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Takeshi Otomo
Itinerant Empire
#6 - 2013-09-04 18:27:33 UTC
'Cause PVP gets expensive, mostly. That and honestly we really enjoyed FW up until the past few weeks, "winning the war" has been kind of **** though.

Oh well, it's unfortunate the standings mechanic is what it is where instead of gameplay we get artificial and arbitrary ~consequences~ 'cause its not as though when player corps in EVE have mercenaries hired against them they blacklist those mercs and never work with them again...
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#7 - 2013-09-04 18:29:34 UTC
Everyone in gal mil will just consider you AWOXing numpties for using the purple mechanic to get kills.
Even if you were to notify every Gallente corp, that wouldn't cover ones you do not know about, the FDU, new ones that join, etc. Overall you are looking at acquiring a rather poor reputation.

No real easy way on the standings, easiest way used to be to grind COSMOS missions...not sure anymore.

Wardec the Brave Collective and move to Barleguet for a bit, that's what a few of us cats did when we got bored. No shortage of pvp from those guys. They love to fight.


Takeshi Otomo wrote:
Oh we'd tell Gallente and ask to be set red. We're a PVP corp, not Awoxers :)


Interesting that people have tried this and been unhappy with it, possibly not a brilliant idea after all :/

Any easy way to get a less than 60 person corp into Caldari or Amarr militia with bad standings to both factions?


nom nom
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#8 - 2013-09-04 18:46:28 UTC
Black rise lol. It's a convalescent home for people who haven't realised that the caldari are just a boredom-induced mass hallucination.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-09-04 18:56:21 UTC
...or you could look into joining heretic initiative, which is now in minmatar militia and is war decced against ever major matar fw militia corp.

Same home area
Same isk benefits
HUGE new array of targets (all your old buddies)

Dont worry Heimetar, Heretics will protect you!

I has all the eve inactivity
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-09-04 19:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
Well tactics in cal/gal are really other stuff than amarr/minmatar.
Although you won´t see such big fleets and not so good fleets like once the batttles around Kamela (Pred/Mnemic/Annah).
I remember that once upon a time (7/8 months ago) amarr ate every gal fleet that came down to Kurni or Kam easily. No wonder after I saw gal logi fits^^. Even during my Nenn/Enna time the galfleets were not very good and the logi fits **** in comparison to amarr/minnie standard.
No clue how it is now in amarr/min but if nothing hasn´t changed, standard minnie or amarr fleets should breakfast away a galfleet.

On the other side solo and small gang is,... erm really completely another stuff than min/amarr. You will suffer many losses before you understand how that works in gal/cal. My first few weeks in calmil were horrible.

And yes I have a clue. I was maybe 10 months in amarrmil and 2.5 months in calmil. I know the differences.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-09-04 19:45:06 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Well tactics in cal/gal are really other stuff than amarr/minmatar.
Although you won´t see such big fleets and not so good fleets like once the batttles around Kamela (Pred/Mnemic/Annah).
I remember that once upon a time (7/8 months ago) amarr ate every gal fleet that came down to Kurni or Kam easily. No wonder after I saw gal logi fits^^. Even during my Nenn/Enna time the galfleets were not very good and the logi fits **** in comparison to amarr/minnie standard.
No clue how it is now in amarr/min but if nothing hasn´t changed, standard minnie or amarr fleets should breakfast away a galfleet.

On the other side solo and small gang is,... erm really completely another stuff than min/amarr. You will suffer many losses before you understand how that works in gal/cal. My first few weeks in calmil were horrible.

And yes I have a clue. I was maybe 10 months in amarrmil and 2.5 months in calmil. I know the differences.


IGB, ahh takes me back

I has all the eve inactivity
Slade Antonius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#12 - 2013-09-05 01:56:11 UTC
Takeshi Otomo wrote:
Posting on an alt obviously;

This question came to mind yesterday and I'm wondering if it's feasible or not. Essentially, Minmatar militia kind of sucks right now for PVP since BIO evicted all our pew pew buddies in Amarr, so we were looking at options to find PVP in the future.



And that summarizes the whole problem with 'winning' in FW right now.

On the other hand members of the 'loser' Amarr militia have more targets than we have seen in months. Now I can undock in my home system and find my choice of fight there in Sis or within one or two jumps within minutes. Sure many of them are farmers with empty ships or lows full of stabs, but many are good pilots including some from the other side of the wz who are just out for gf's.

That is why I hope the present situation doesn't change too soon. The Minnie pvp'ers can come to the Sis area to find some action with the remnants of the organized Amarr militia both solo and in small gangs while the farmers can have the bulk of the remaining wz to run their missions, deplex, and make all their isk in relative peace. There may be some other pockets of Amarr resistance as well. The only thing we ask is just don't all come at once. Blink
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#13 - 2013-09-05 04:48:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
Karl Planck wrote:
...or you could look into joining heretic initiative, which is now in minmatar militia and is war decced against ever major matar fw militia corp.

Same home area
Same isk benefits
HUGE new array of targets (all your old buddies)

Dont worry Heimetar, Heretics will protect you!


F*ck!

Someone made a comment earlier about how BSC and I posted in the same thread and it's like we're returning to 2010...I was about to post "Only if Heretics join Minmatar militia and wardec everyone again," but it seemed like a dumb joke...

...F*ck...missed opportunities...

Whoever invented this time-warp machine is going to be a rich man; I'm distraught that I can claim no credit.

(edit: though I guess that'd be more like 2008/2009)
are34
daddys little fslur
boo hoo fslur i don't care
#14 - 2013-09-06 06:45:27 UTC
if the game mechanics allow for you to not lose standings with minmatar but still shoot the gals i would 100% move to black rise, if your looking for pvp betwenn 1-30 man fleets this is probably going to be your best region in eve atm.

i have no idea whats wrong with everyone posting and saying it is a bad idea...

just dont expect anything from cal mil. gals will fight, theres waffles, rote, us, the snuff/swear/sickology group that will pew, us, some groups around old man star and many many smaller entities, its been great to us in the 3 or so months we have been here.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#15 - 2013-09-06 13:17:28 UTC
Since the Gals actually fight, I think a lot of the remaining Amarr are just waiting for Bio to make the final push so they finally have an excuse to try other areas of the game or go enjoy all of the pew they've been hearing about in the Caldari warzone. Supposedly even FHP is actually having fun in EVE again since going on break after taking Arzad err...I mean getting demoralized by the Biohazard powerhouse.

A lot of us that didn't move on after Arzad are actually pretty puzzled and frustrated the remaining systems haven't been flipped yet, since the 'active resistance' that still plexes is literally a handful of people.

I think in the future we'll see a lot more groups run off the Heretic model of enjoying that sweet sweet Tier 5 and just wardeccing the main groups in militia. I think that when the Minmatar take all the systems, even if BIO goes into chill mode, the Minny FW mission train has enough momentum that even if BIO left, people would still keep the Tier high. At least I hope they do, since I haven't had a chance to run any FW missions this time around.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#16 - 2013-09-06 13:21:34 UTC
are34 wrote:
if the game mechanics allow for you to not lose standings with minmatar but still shoot the gals i would 100% move to black rise, if your looking for pvp betwenn 1-30 man fleets this is probably going to be your best region in eve atm.

i have no idea whats wrong with everyone posting and saying it is a bad idea...

just dont expect anything from cal mil. gals will fight, theres waffles, rote, us, the snuff/swear/sickology group that will pew, us, some groups around old man star and many many smaller entities, its been great to us in the 3 or so months we have been here.


Surely none of those groups can compare to the steamroller that is the Minmatar militia right now? Or could it be they're simply too afraid to face the wrath of Biohazard. I checked their killboards the other day and its no wonder they're doing what Iron Oxide never was able to.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Takeshi Otomo
Itinerant Empire
#17 - 2013-09-06 14:18:26 UTC
BIO hasn't flipped the remaining systems because their plan is to maintain T4/T5 indefinitely to fund super caps for leadership. One of their directors left the corp over them increasing their tax rate to 100% and being told not to ask questions as to where the money is going, so it looks like BIO leadership never planned on winning the war in the first place and they just saw an opportunity to farm a ton of LP off a disorganized Amarr.

Such is the word on the street and from a disgruntled ex director in militia chat anyway.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-09-06 15:09:28 UTC
could someone just get the minnie tier down again so i can kill stuff other than stealth bombers again?

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#19 - 2013-09-06 15:32:49 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
could someone just get the minnie tier down again so i can kill stuff other than stealth bombers again?


Yeah SB's are dull as **** to kill. Although it IS satisfying when sb pilot goes 'no point trying you won't catch me'

A few seconds later....

KABLOOM OMGWTF DECLOAK POW.

I'm trying Garviel, to be honest the actual challenge right now is neutrals not the bloody minmatar lol.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#20 - 2013-09-06 20:50:42 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
...or you could look into joining heretic initiative, which is now in minmatar militia and is war decced against ever major matar fw militia corp.

Same home area
Same isk benefits
HUGE new array of targets (all your old buddies)

Dont worry Heimetar, Heretics will protect you!


sounds like Maximum yarrage all over again.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
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