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Frigate tier 2 or Destroyer

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Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha
Hellbound Turkeys
#1 - 2013-08-29 14:50:06 UTC
What would be best for me to focus on as a rookie? im currently using a Catalyst but i don't know if i should start focusing on a tier 2 frigate perhaps and then continue on destroyer tier 2.

What would be best for me? im currently focusing on railguns btw.

I will mostly use this for Missions and PvE but in the future i will be part of security in my corp. Any advice is helpful Thanks! :)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2013-08-29 15:01:47 UTC
Have you trained your T2 rails already? I think it would be a good idea to train Blasters too. Blaster Catalyst can bring some really good DPS into fights and the rails are good for missions. From there, I'd personally recommend training into Caldari to get into a Merlin but that's just my opinion. I like Merlin hulls.
Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha
Hellbound Turkeys
#3 - 2013-08-29 15:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha
Riot Girl wrote:
Have you trained your T2 rails already? I think it would be a good idea to train Blasters too. Blaster Catalyst can bring some really good DPS into fights and the rails are good for missions. From there, I'd personally recommend training into Caldari to get into a Merlin but that's just my opinion. I like Merlin hulls.


I am training t2 Railguns now its done in 2 days, im just curious about the ships. I would like to keep my railgun, i really dont like the blasters it's not my thing really to be close in combat.

I just want to know what the optimal solution would be for me to train t2 frigates or wait 42 days for a t2 destroyer.

I rather stick with gallante for as long as i can hehe.

Thanks!
Ginger Barbarella
#4 - 2013-08-29 15:10:51 UTC
Assuming you mean TECH 2 and not tier 2 ship skills, I would definately focus on getting into Tech 2 frigates, as they have a broader use in general gameplay that T2 dessies (Interdictors). Getting the racial Destroyer to L5 has it's benefits, definately, but I would recommend concentrating on the support skills for the T2 frigate hulls before worrying about Interdictor skills. T2 Dessies with Destroyer at L5 is a beautiful thing in brawling pvp... :)

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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-08-29 15:16:23 UTC
I like your focus in gallente ships. Keep it, crosstrain only when it is absolutely worth it.

Enyo is a damn good assault frigate, Keres is one of the best tackle frigates and the Gallente interceptors rock with hull tank. I think you get generally more for going t2 frigates. Destroyer IV allows catalyst to do it's thing decently.
Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha
Hellbound Turkeys
#6 - 2013-08-29 15:18:12 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Assuming you mean TECH 2 and not tier 2 ship skills, I would definately focus on getting into Tech 2 frigates, as they have a broader use in general gameplay that T2 dessies (Interdictors). Getting the racial Destroyer to L5 has it's benefits, definately, but I would recommend concentrating on the support skills for the T2 frigate hulls before worrying about Interdictor skills. T2 Dessies with Destroyer at L5 is a beautiful thing in brawling pvp... :)


Thanks! Yes sorry i mean Tech 2

So to be useful as fast as possible as security or in pvp would be to get a T2 Frigate then? I wanted to keep my railguns on the frigate, is that viable? also what setup would you recommend for one of these ships?

Which T2 frigate would be best for me you think? :)
Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha
Hellbound Turkeys
#7 - 2013-08-29 15:20:31 UTC
The Spod wrote:
I like your focus in gallente ships. Keep it, crosstrain only when it is absolutely worth it.

Enyo is a damn good assault frigate, Keres is one of the best tackle frigates and the Gallente interceptors rock with hull tank. I think you get generally more for going t2 frigates. Destroyer IV allows catalyst to do it's thing decently.


Thanks :)

Im yet not familiar with those phrases, whats a tacke frigate for example? I really have no idea what would be best, what would be most viable in Solo PvP or Pve ?

Thanks!
Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha
Hellbound Turkeys
#8 - 2013-08-29 15:23:38 UTC
FYI: Im planning to stick to a certain ship for as long as i can to go as far as i can go with it until i change. Maby could give me a few hints based on this information.

THanks for all the help so far! :)
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-08-29 15:27:56 UTC
t2 frig: 30 mil?
desy: 1 mil?

If you got isk, yes, go spend them on t2 frig.

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Eat dessert first!

Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha
Hellbound Turkeys
#10 - 2013-08-29 15:31:29 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
t2 frig: 30 mil?
desy: 1 mil?

If you got isk, yes, go spend them on t2 frig.


Will do.. It's just a day of mining. Thanks
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-08-29 15:50:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Have you trained your T2 rails already? I think it would be a good idea to train Blasters too. Blaster Catalyst can bring some really good DPS into fights and the rails are good for missions. From there, I'd personally recommend training into Caldari to get into a Merlin but that's just my opinion. I like Merlin hulls.


I am training t2 Railguns now its done in 2 days, im just curious about the ships. I would like to keep my railgun, i really dont like the blasters it's not my thing really to be close in combat.

I just want to know what the optimal solution would be for me to train t2 frigates or wait 42 days for a t2 destroyer.

I rather stick with gallante for as long as i can hehe.

Thanks!



T1/T2 Gallente frigates have now the required tools to achieve almost everything, just like other races do but now Gallente is worth training for.
You must understand the main differences in between races to actually see further right now and choose your training goals.

Caldari main weapons are about equally missiles and hybrids, drones as support in some hulls
Gallente are mainly suited for blasters then Rails and awesomesauce with drones (drones are not primary Gallente weapons, if some one says this to you and insists he's an idiot)

Now if you take a close look at differences between Caldari and Gallente hybrid ships the first thing you'll see is tanking mode, ok, it's fair enough, but the main difference comes when you look at ship bonus to those hybrids and support.

Gallente is the "in tha face" dps brawler, has bonus to dmg and tracking to apply that dmg but none to increase range, drones are the support to help it achieve either max dps factor or to help it screw opponents day (ECM etc)
Caldari get extra range, often 2 range bonus but none or little to dmg and no drones on those hulls (from memory)

So, what I'm trying to say is that both races are awesome, have awesome hulls to fly and pvp/pve with but since you want to stick with rails the only changing factor you have to consider is tanking mode and ships bonus.
Right now Gallente are the race you want to fly, not because it's the current OP thing but because they're suited to make those guns work pretty good and having decent drones bay is always a must have for pvp as for pve.

From T1 to T2 frigs/cruisers are awesome, BC's except Talos are meh or solo/situational ships, BSs are awesome now so go for it and step by step fly them and loose enough until you feel comfortable flying them.
PVP with cheapo throwaway T1 frigs, those are awesome and very strong then T2's in gangs or solo when you feel ok doing so and so on.

Dessies are completely different at T2 level and if you should get racial dessie 5 because catalyst is awesomesauce T2s you can wait before getting in to those.
Train cloaking to 4 will give you the nice option for bombers too, those are very paper thin things but dish stupid amounts of dps at insane ranges for their size, you might want those to travel and explore Eve.

Hope this helps a bit.

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Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha
Hellbound Turkeys
#12 - 2013-08-29 16:02:04 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Have you trained your T2 rails already? I think it would be a good idea to train Blasters too. Blaster Catalyst can bring some really good DPS into fights and the rails are good for missions. From there, I'd personally recommend training into Caldari to get into a Merlin but that's just my opinion. I like Merlin hulls.


I am training t2 Railguns now its done in 2 days, im just curious about the ships. I would like to keep my railgun, i really dont like the blasters it's not my thing really to be close in combat.

I just want to know what the optimal solution would be for me to train t2 frigates or wait 42 days for a t2 destroyer.

I rather stick with gallante for as long as i can hehe.

Thanks!



T1/T2 Gallente frigates have now the required tools to achieve almost everything, just like other races do but now Gallente is worth training for.
You must understand the main differences in between races to actually see further right now and choose your training goals.

Caldari main weapons are about equally missiles and hybrids, drones as support in some hulls
Gallente are mainly suited for blasters then Rails and awesomesauce with drones (drones are not primary Gallente weapons, if some one says this to you and insists he's an idiot)

Now if you take a close look at differences between Caldari and Gallente hybrid ships the first thing you'll see is tanking mode, ok, it's fair enough, but the main difference comes when you look at ship bonus to those hybrids and support.

Gallente is the "in tha face" dps brawler, has bonus to dmg and tracking to apply that dmg but none to increase range, drones are the support to help it achieve either max dps factor or to help it screw opponents day (ECM etc)
Caldari get extra range, often 2 range bonus but none or little to dmg and no drones on those hulls (from memory)

So, what I'm trying to say is that both races are awesome, have awesome hulls to fly and pvp/pve with but since you want to stick with rails the only changing factor you have to consider is tanking mode and ships bonus.
Right now Gallente are the race you want to fly, not because it's the current OP thing but because they're suited to make those guns work pretty good and having decent drones bay is always a must have for pvp as for pve.

From T1 to T2 frigs/cruisers are awesome, BC's except Talos are meh or solo/situational ships, BSs are awesome now so go for it and step by step fly them and loose enough until you feel comfortable flying them.
PVP with cheapo throwaway T1 frigs, those are awesome and very strong then T2's in gangs or solo when you feel ok doing so and so on.

Dessies are completely different at T2 level and if you should get racial dessie 5 because catalyst is awesomesauce T2s you can wait before getting in to those.
Train cloaking to 4 will give you the nice option for bombers too, those are very paper thin things but dish stupid amounts of dps at insane ranges for their size, you might want those to travel and explore Eve.

Hope this helps a bit.



That helps a lot!

Thank you!

Would you say i would be better off to change into a T1 frigate right now or keep my catalyst?

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-08-29 16:21:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha wrote:
Would you say i would be better off to change into a T1 frigate right now or keep my catalyst?


As far as progression is the concern having more guns doesn't always means better, bigger doesn't mean better specially in Eve.
For instance, a well fitted blaster Enyo can dish 300 to 450 DPS once you have trained all skills to the top, this is a T2 frigate.
Catalyst can dish 600+ with top skills but has no way close the Tank of Enyo, it's a glass canon often used for gank or die.

I understand your concern now that is pve a bit while training skills and make isk, some will tell you you can do lvl4's in T2 frigates and yes it's possible but requires a lot of experience and top skills which you lack right now.

Train asap racial frigates to 5 - assault frigs to 4 (5 better but later) -pve/pvp all day long with those and never get bored

Dessie 4 - keep in mind this one is a must have at 5 but you can skip it for the moment, this will bring you no real benefit for pve over cruisers and training for cruisers with decent skills to pve is fast.
The best of this skill comes with 5 for catalyst just for gank or some missions, kill belt rats and not really fun as dictor because gallente one is rather meh.

Racial cruiser 5 -this will open to you the most important ships line in the game and also the most used from heavy assault cruisers to reccons heavy dictors and logisitcs all of these ships are fantastic to fly, of course some are stronger but in general you want them.
Why jump dessie if bigger not better? -frigate/dessie or frigate/cruiser is the exception imho, for pve as for pvp.

Sry for so much stuff when your question is about keeping one or do the other but it's a bit more complicated than it seems because has I've first stated bigger doesn't mean better.

Frigates first, T2's guns and tank/electronics/engineering, minimum for dessies (but you'll be back later) and go cruisers.
There's nothing you can do with your catalyst you can't do with a T1 or T2 frigate except paper dps not considering your real needs and skills asap.

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Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha
Hellbound Turkeys
#14 - 2013-08-29 16:49:30 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha wrote:
Would you say i would be better off to change into a T1 frigate right now or keep my catalyst?


As far as progression is the concern having more guns doesn't always means better, bigger doesn't mean better specially in Eve.
For instance, a well fitted blaster Enyo can dish 300 to 450 DPS once you have trained all skills to the top, this is a T2 frigate.
Catalyst can dish 600+ with top skills but has no way close the Tank of Enyo, it's a glass canon often used for gank or die.

I understand your concern now that is pve a bit while training skills and make isk, some will tell you you can do lvl4's in T2 frigates and yes it's possible but requires a lot of experience and top skills which you lack right now.

Train asap racial frigates to 5 - assault frigs to 4 (5 better but later) -pve/pvp all day long with those and never get bored

Dessie 4 - keep in mind this one is a must have at 5 but you can skip it for the moment, this will bring you no real benefit for pve over cruisers and training for cruisers with decent skills to pve is fast.
The best of this skill comes with 5 for catalyst just for gank or some missions, kill belt rats and not really fun as dictor because gallente one is rather meh.

Racial cruiser 5 -this will open to you the most important ships line in the game and also the most used from heavy assault cruisers to reccons heavy dictors and logisitcs all of these ships are fantastic to fly, of course some are stronger but in general you want them.
Why jump dessie if bigger not better? -frigate/dessie or frigate/cruiser is the exception imho, for pve as for pvp.

Sry for so much stuff when your question is about keeping one or do the other but it's a bit more complicated than it seems because has I've first stated bigger doesn't mean better.

Frigates first, T2's guns and tank/electronics/engineering, minimum for dessies (but you'll be back later) and go cruisers.
There's nothing you can do with your catalyst you can't do with a T1 or T2 frigate except paper dps not considering your real needs and skills asap.


I have learned a lot now. Thanks for taking your time to write this. Im going to focus on frigate T1 now and T2 once all my skills are at max. I noticed a lot of difference with skill upgrades using evemon.

Thanks again! :)
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-08-30 19:45:28 UTC
Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha wrote:
whats a tackle frigate for example?


"Tackle" is a word used to describe the use of a warp jammer on an enemy ship in PvP. Most frigates can be used to tackle for fleets because they are fast and cheap. You may want to check out the "New Citizens Q&A" section of the forums because there is plenty of terminology to learn and the people that frequent that forum are happy to answer your questions. Big smile

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Chanitoo91 Salvatrucha
Hellbound Turkeys
#16 - 2013-09-04 16:36:46 UTC
Hey everyone.

I have now used my Federation Navy Comet for a few days for PvE at level 2 missions aswell as in combat zones and it is working out fine but still a lot to learn.

I am currently training for Tier 2 hyrid weapons and i will have it in a few days (I still have 22 days to go for Tech 2 frigates).

I am no longer using railguns for my Comet in PvE, i did not find the damage to be good enough.


So my question is: I will soon enter the Level 3 missions and i am not sure if i will be able to do them without encountering problems with my current skill level and fit on my Comet, and since i have 22 days left to get my Enyo i would like to know what the highest priority would be to train as fast as possible so i can do these level 3 missions in my Comet.

I Currently have 125 dps in total and about 3.6k ehp with small armor repair II.

I suppose the skill levels and the fit is not everything that will matter when i do level 3 missions, but it is how i will engage the rats in an optimal way to increase my survival & bring down the most important targets first.

So how would you recommend i engage these rats when using a Comet`? I have not yet found any tutorials for this and that is why i am asking here.

Also i am planning to stick with the frigates, i like them & i find them incredibly fun compared to the bigger ships where you can just afk while doing these missions.

Thank you for reading.