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Remember when planets made you go WOAH? And then you flew through one.

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Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-11-14 05:33:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jett0
Update: Looks like CCP was way ahead of me. New warp tunnel effect, including when warping through celestials, now up on the test server!

Just something random I was thinking of. I'm sure many remember how awesome and expansive the universe seemed the first time you fly near a planet. Then you clip right through one and the immersion breaks. But you eventually accept it and move on.

I'm against the idea of course redirects around planets. However, I'm reminded of a quote from Cowboy Bebop: "Objects in hyperspace can still be seen by the naked eye. Of course, they can never interact with anything on this plane of reality."

A small visual cue or animation of this phenomenon would be many times better than just clipping through it.

Occasionally plays sober

EdwardNardella
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-11-14 05:42:42 UTC
I agree, perhaps the 3D scene should be completely black when inside a planet.
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
#3 - 2011-11-14 06:25:08 UTC
this. I actually do.
Didn't make it past my 3rd day playing before I up and got the urge to MWD for 20min into a planet. The resulting "wtf?.. aaww. lame" spontaneously caused me to rage for several days.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#4 - 2011-11-14 07:14:22 UTC
eithery they need to make the warp tunnel to the point it makes it hard to see stuff outside of it,

or they turn all planets and moons into warp bubbles.

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Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-14 08:42:17 UTC
Everything should be backwards in warp, even your speed.

Ferox #1

DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-14 08:55:37 UTC
Just add sparkly, shiny effects when we're warping through a planet.
If the game admits what is happening, a player will know there's an explanation.
Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-11-14 09:00:04 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
If the game admits what is happening, a player will know there's an explanation.


Pretty much this. It doesn't have to be explained, just acknowledged.

Occasionally plays sober

BLACK-STAR
#8 - 2011-11-14 10:32:35 UTC
I asked months ago on the old forums for CCP to relocate planets and moons on grid. Basically it's a low priority.

The planets and moons were dropped there when the systems were created, years and years ago... the dev had short insight into the future when placing random planets directly in common warp aligns. this was simply kind of lazy and slutty development.

They should have fixed it during Dominion, before Tyrannis rolled Custom Offices out; now CCP just added more time-consuming fixes.

I'm kind of a perfectionist so it bothers me even after playing EVE for years. its a common fixable bug and disregarded.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-11-14 12:03:51 UTC
BLACK-STAR wrote:

I'm kind of a perfectionist so it bothers me even after playing EVE for years.


I don't think it's perfectionism to expect that we don't blast through planets and see the inner edges of the model as we do. It looks tacky, unfinished, and unprofessional. I had that feeling the first time it happened to me on Eve and that hasn't changed since. Same with plowing through stations on warp. There are some smart people at CCP who I am pretty sure can write a bit of code to create a curve.
Terh Rumnatarn
Epidemic Inc.
#10 - 2011-11-14 12:12:15 UTC
You do realize that your brain doesn`t have the ability to perceive that kind of information (a black image when passing through a planet - also other objects moving with a relative speed greater than your ship) Think about when you are in a train, and another one passes in the opposing direction; how many faces can you recognize? Think now if you are traveling with enormous speeds. The angular speed is great when obj are closer, and small when they are far - as the sun.

This is the same thing as the 25 frame movie, your retina sense it, but your brain doesn`t receive it.


Also passing through matter is perfectly plausible. You have atm passing through you and Earth, thousands of particles with 0 electronic charge, thus not affecting you at all, and they aren`t obstructed or diverted (maybe except by the gravitational field) at all.

Thinking that when you reach warp speed, your mass drops near 0 and assuming that you are able to drop your electronic charge also, you are able to pass through planets, stars etc.

Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-11-14 12:18:25 UTC
Terh Rumnatarn wrote:

Also passing through matter is perfectly plausible. You have atm passing through you and Earth, thousands of particles with 0 electronic charge, thus not affecting you at all, and they aren`t obstructed or diverted (maybe except by the gravitational field) at all.


I don't see through the edges of their polygons when they pass through me so I don't care.
Daedalus Arcova
The Scope
#12 - 2011-11-14 12:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Daedalus Arcova
Terh Rumnatarn wrote:
You do realize that your brain doesn`t have the ability to perceive that kind of information (a black image when passing through a planet - also other objects moving with a relative speed greater than your ship) Think about when you are in a train, and another one passes in the opposing direction; how many faces can you recognize? Think now if you are traveling with enormous speeds. The angular speed is great when obj are closer, and small when they are far - as the sun.

This is the same thing as the 25 frame movie, your retina sense it, but your brain doesn`t receive it.


Also passing through matter is perfectly plausible. You have atm passing through you and Earth, thousands of particles with 0 electronic charge, thus not affecting you at all, and they aren`t obstructed or diverted (maybe except by the gravitational field) at all.

Thinking that when you reach warp speed, your mass drops near 0 and assuming that you are able to drop your electronic charge also, you are able to pass through planets, stars etc.



Fine, but you're still in the middle of a planet, looking at ugly outlines for a couple of seconds (because you're always accelerating or decelerating when you pass through a celestial - never at full warp). We need something - anything - to make it look like the game acknowledges that you're passing through a solid, massive object, and not a gigantic balloon of one way glass.

As for curving warp paths, that would be awesome. However, since NPCs don't even have the AI complexity to manoeuvre around asteroids, what hope have we of our ships computing warp paths around celestials? Even if it were possible, it would probably mess up the way we can align to a point, ready to warp to it.
Terh Rumnatarn
Epidemic Inc.
#13 - 2011-11-14 12:26:03 UTC
Jett0 wrote:
Just something random I was thinking of. I'm sure many remember how awesome and expansive the universe seemed the first time you fly near a planet. Then you clip right through one and the immersion breaks. But you eventually accept it and move on.


And you may give me a thumbs up now, cause your insomnia related to unanswered q " passing through planets is gone" .

And this without medication. Marvelous..


Terh Rumnatarn
Epidemic Inc.
#14 - 2011-11-14 12:34:28 UTC
Daedalus Arcova wrote:


Fine, but you're still in the middle of a planet, looking at ugly outlines for a couple of seconds (because you're always accelerating or decelerating when you pass through a celestial - never at full warp). We need something - anything - to make it look like the game acknowledges that you're passing through a solid, massive object, and not a gigantic balloon of one way glass.


Well, as I said it before, physics, the structure of planets, mater, everything is there, but your brain perceives it like some residual frame in your peripheral field of vision. You have passed through the planet when you actually sense that in your brain as a visual, which combines with the current frame that is open space. There are tons of visual effects on the web, called visual illusions. Search it and you will be blown of how your eyes and brain work.
CCP BlueScreen
C C P
C C P Alliance
#15 - 2011-11-14 12:38:20 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP BlueScreen
Yes agreed, we always thought that was lacking as well.

Winter is coming... Blink
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-14 12:40:26 UTC
CCP BlueScreen wrote:
Yes agreed, we always thought that was lacking, winter is coming... Big smile

*COUGH*

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-11-14 12:42:15 UTC
CCP BlueScreen wrote:
Yes agreed, we always thought that was lacking as well.

Winter is coming... Blink


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Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-11-14 12:45:43 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
CCP BlueScreen wrote:
Yes agreed, we always thought that was lacking as well.

Winter is coming... Blink


Shocked

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Terh Rumnatarn
Epidemic Inc.
#19 - 2011-11-14 12:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Terh Rumnatarn
Daedalus Arcova wrote:

As for curving warp paths, that would be awesome. However, since NPCs don't even have the AI complexity to manoeuvre around asteroids, what hope have we of our ships computing warp paths around celestials? Even if it were possible, it would probably mess up the way we can align to a point, ready to warp to it.


Think about, at the speed of 360 000m/h (100m/s - the speed of a bs) you would need a force = mass (of a BS) x acceleration (from 0 to 100m/s) at 90 degrees (a engine on the left or right side of the ship) to change you on a trajectory at 45 degrees. That is enormous.
In non warp you are able to do that by increasing or decreasing the power of one of the rear engines. In warp, all the power in the rear engines capt. Try to unbalance that and you may hit a tree or smth.. No trees in space? How come. I want trees in space.
Please CCP introduce trees in space. Who joins me in my dream for love and trees??

I`m like Superman, ideas bounce from me like rubber bullets. (damn that US police force and their rubber bullets.. that nullified my saying)
Arsibalt d'Arcachon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-11-14 12:52:42 UTC
CCP BlueScreen wrote:
Yes agreed, we always thought that was lacking as well.

Winter is coming... Blink


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