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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#201 - 2013-09-04 04:55:04 UTC
ummm... Why would anybody recycle a ganking alt now days? You just use your lowsec main to do it when bored. Tags to fix sec status if necessary. And then spend the remainder of your time in lowsec shooting idiots with your space bros, and hope some poor moron comes to try and cash in the Kill Rights. "Onoez! Please don't bring the PvP to me on a silver platter. Whatever shall I do?!"
Shander Maxum
Shander Maxum Universal Ltd.
#202 - 2013-09-04 05:03:24 UTC
To keep everyone from getting all hurt about it .. they should let players sit in and control rats on belts and take some of the rats out of mission sites and have them fly out to gates in high sec and try to gank people .

At least people would be able to shoot at them as soon as they appear (I agree with that point...its more that you can't pre-emtively kill them.. not that you can't get revenge. Revenge is a petty human emotion.)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#203 - 2013-09-04 05:23:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
S Byerley wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
None of those characters are biomassed. I saw Insta Podkiller just last week.

Pretty sure everyone but Insta Podkiller is, and he was obviously included for the second sentence.

Pretty sure that you're wrong. Biomassed characters end up in Doomheim.
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None of those characters are in Doomheim and retain their negative sec status, therefore they haven't been biomassed.
If they had been biomassed and then re-rolled with the same name, the negative sec status would have been removed. CCP would probably have been in touch with the owner of the negative sec status character, because biomassing them is bannable.

You really should check your facts before accusing people of committing bannable offenses.

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GoonWaffe
#204 - 2013-09-04 05:34:45 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Pretty sure that you're wrong. Biomassed characters end up in Doomheim.

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Nyla Skin
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#205 - 2013-09-04 06:32:05 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Locator agents, use them, love them.


Sure, after you tell the OP the names of the NPC alts of these culprits. Or more preferably, the names of the alts that are doing the isk-making for them, so they could fight back in the proper way by striking at the wallets. Everything else is just usual forum BS.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#206 - 2013-09-04 06:39:47 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Locator agents, use them, love them.


Sure, after you tell the OP the names of the NPC alts of these culprits. Or more preferably, the names of the alts that are doing the isk-making for them, so they could fight back in the proper way by striking at the wallets. Everything else is just usual forum BS.



DO research, look around. Invest some ISK in common ganking gear, and toss it on the market in active gank hubs. Note patterns in who's buying what.

It's not hard.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#207 - 2013-09-04 06:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You really should check your facts before accusing people of committing bannable offenses.


Sorry, I didn't realize we were nitpicking the difference between throwaway account and throwaway alt. Nice loophole is CCP doesn't enforce the former I guess.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#208 - 2013-09-04 06:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
S Byerley wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You really should check your facts before accusing people of committing bannable offenses.


Sorry, I didn't realize we were nitpicking the difference throwaway account and throwaway alt. Nice loophole is CCP doesn't enforce the former I guess.

Who said anything about throwaway alts or accounts? I certainly didn't.

The salient point is that you said those characters had been recycled, which implies that the character is biomassed and the slot used for a new character, this clearly isn't happening.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#209 - 2013-09-04 07:00:36 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Locator agents, use them, love them.


Sure, after you tell the OP the names of the NPC alts of these culprits. Or more preferably, the names of the alts that are doing the isk-making for them, so they could fight back in the proper way by striking at the wallets. Everything else is just usual forum BS.


"Striking wallets" would cause the largest tidal wave of tears in the history of video games. What?

I mean, the rules are that everyone but PvPrs must risk their high skills main and its assets to play 100%. You don't mine with low skill alts, don't run missions or incursions with low skill alts, don't do industry in low skill alts. Go figure if PvPrs' mains were put in line with the risk/reward everyone else faces, if a low skill PvPr was as useless as a low skill PvEr, or a high skill PvP main could be hit in revenge after messing with someone's high skill main.

That would be a bad, bad move.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#210 - 2013-09-04 07:02:40 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Recycling implies that the character is biomassed and the slot is used for a new character


Maybe to you; it's pretty obvious what I meant.

Are you implying that starting a trial account to pod/ect. without penalty is somehow better than using an alt slot to do the same?
Cade Windstalker
#211 - 2013-09-04 07:10:51 UTC
I'm mildly confused here, I came expecting tin-foil-hattery and CCP bashing. I got a reasonable set of complaints against game mechanics and not one word about the devs...

Well, I have no idea how one would go about enforcing consequences for this but I support it!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#212 - 2013-09-04 07:11:08 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Recycling implies that the character is biomassed and the slot is used for a new character


Maybe to you; it's pretty obvious what I meant.

Are you implying that starting a trial account to pod/ect. without penalty is somehow better than using an alt slot to do the same?

I give up, you're a pedant, woefully ignorant and insist on posting as if you were an authority, which you're not.

In short you're a troll.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#213 - 2013-09-04 07:17:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Cismet wrote:
Either you're psychic and can read his mind, or you're simply projecting what you want to "hear" into your interpretation of the original post.
…or maybe I read his post which was 99% about how older players who claim to want to have the will and abilities to get back, but who are supposedly stopped by mechanics (with the last 1% being a “think about the newbies” thrown in offhandedly in a subclause at the very end).

Quote:
The simplest solution is that he meant exactly what he wrote when he posted it.
That's exactly the solution I've chosen.

Forum Damsel wrote:
I am new to the game and I hate PvP... especially ganking.

how about this for a system of discouraging noob ganking in High sec?
How about this system: tell newbies that as long as they are still in the training systems, they can report people who attack them, and that the GMs will do nasty things to those who do?

Your solution relies on a mechanical definition of newbies to work, unless it's meant to apply no matter who you're attacking, which would be stupid. That means it won't work because it will be abused and subverted to hell and back.

S Byerley wrote:
Maybe to you; it's pretty obvious what I meant.

Are you implying that starting a trial account to pod/ect. without penalty is somehow better than using an alt slot to do the same?
Yes, it was pretty obvious that you were talking about recycling/biomassing characters and the fact remains that your examples aren't examples of this. And he's implying what's been said on many occasions so far: that recycling/throw-away alts are not nearly as common a practice as people like to claim.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#214 - 2013-09-04 07:18:09 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I give up, you're a pedant


You're making an asinine distinction that's irrelevant to everything but CCP's ability to confidently enforce a banning policy and I'm a pedant?

Thanks for teaching me about Doomheim I guess.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#215 - 2013-09-04 07:19:52 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
You're making an asinine important distinction that's
…highly relevant to the claim that people are recycling alts to gank, when there's very little to suggest that it's as common as is often suggested.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#216 - 2013-09-04 07:22:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
And he's implying what's been said on many occasions so far: that recycling/throw-away alts are not nearly as common a practice as people like to claim.


What would you prefer to call characters who are used to impart timers until their sec status drops negative and then never touched again? It's always easier to use your definitions than to get you to use sensible ones.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#217 - 2013-09-04 07:27:26 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
What would you prefer to call characters who are used to impart timers until their sec status drops negative and then never touched again?
You can call them Tiny Tim if you like, but they're not recycled.
It's always easier to use your definitions if others don't try to squeeze in stuff into those categories that doesn't belong there.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#218 - 2013-09-04 07:33:35 UTC
Perhaps reusing alternate character slots is uncommon because tiny tims are easier.

CCP should consider making it harder to tiny tim because the resulting lack of accountability is identical.
Lady Areola Fappington
#219 - 2013-09-04 07:37:13 UTC
Most gankers (myself included) tend to keep using the accounts we form our gank char on, even if we don't use the gank character itself. I haven't really heard of anyone specifically just using trial accounts (which I think is the accusation here) just for ganking.


Not like you can force someone to login and play on a char they don't want to.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#220 - 2013-09-04 07:54:29 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Perhaps reusing alternate character slots is uncommon because tiny tims are easier.
Perhaps reusing alt slots is uncommon because it's a waste of time and effort to reuse them, so you just keep them around as your gank alt…