Crime & Punishment

Podkilling adds to the gankee's loss.

Which is exactly your goal if you are trying to prevent a certain type of ice being mined anywhere in game, just saying.

the illusion that HS is safe is just that.... an illusion.

but i do feel your pain, as a young miner myself i lost a few covetors to the gank.

i dont hate the gankers that got me i learnt my my mistake.

which was mainly don't mine during hulkageddon ROFL.

alas gankers are here to stay and ppl should take precautions to minimize loss.

I hafta confess ... suicide ganking can be a whole lot of fun. I'd only ever been a victim of this practice until not-very-long-ago when I spent some time with the CFC's miniluv program.

It was a very pleasantly surprise seeing the technical detail and the amount of effort that went into a good gank, along with the aftermath management of timers and loot and sec status etc. It also gave me a whole new insight into future reduction of the likelihood of again myself being ganked.

Before leaving CFC I'd suicide ganked miners solo, mission-runners with corp-mates, and freighetrs / jump freighters / orcas with the specialists. These all had different flavours and requirements. I hated some of the 'goon' smak-talk and the scam efforts during the gank buildup but otherwise it was an enlightening and educational part of eve to gain experience in.

I recommend giving it a try.

But this is EVE, as soon as you un-dock you are consenting to PVP, Maybe it is my misunderstanding. I love reading about the New Order, and enjoy and respect the time some of them have taken to write the stories on the blog. Things like that is why I wanted to join EVE, it's what makes it sound fun.

Remember one comparison I read before, been threw so many pages I forgot where and who. Do these same people log into a FPS game (CoD or Battlefield) and AFK in a match 20 mins at a time, and than complain when everyone knifes them and steals their dog tags (likely taking odd liberties with the corpse)? There is no difference in my mind sorry, maybe it is me. As soon as you log on and un-dock, you are in the fight just like any other FPS. There are support roles (miners, logistics) and there is the guy that runs around with the pin on the hand grenade pulled, daring you to pop him.

Real PVP is defined by people that don't like the way you are playing. Also if you are Ganking for profit, the idea is to make money and not look for those fights that give you that PVP 'buzz' Right? Even though it is quite amusing :D

If i gank and someone convo's me, i will accept. If they want civility, i am civil. If they start throwing around insults i just stoke the fire tbh and milk them for mucho enjoyment.

CCP adding more tank will not stop suicide ganks I sometimes have a hauler get away in structure because they tanked their ship and that is fine, but I generally go for haulers that carry enough to pay for 2 tornados and still have 200mill spare, I usually have a friend in a nado with me just in case situations like this arise more tanks will just make people feel safer and carry more making it viable for more people to group together

But in your case I consider that a miner, or hauler that did not tank his ship (but not AFK), for AFK miners (or those on Auto Pilot) I consider my example. I get they feel they are being wronged, but the point is you can tank your ship no one is stopping them. I see a un-tanked ship I see it as them taking a pocket knife into the zombie apocalypse. They go AFK, them it is the pocket knife is in thier shoe and they are dripping blood making thrashing noises. If I get ganked, I see it as I did something wrong, because not only did I not see it coming (by watching local) or see that ship that decide to park on my 6. If CCP starts add more tank to miners or haulers is that really going to fix anything? Just means we are going to have more people that afk mine or AP 22 jump runs without fear of getting touched. I can see it now, High Sec rocks will be picked clean two or three hours after reset, than they will complain there are no rocks to mine when they get on. What next? add more rocks or shorten the spawn time? I see John's point and I started this game as a miner (until the rocks started to whisper to me, suggesting I burn them all). [/quote]

CCP adding more tank will not stop suicide ganks I sometimes have a hauler get away in structure because they tanked their ship and that is fine, but I generally go for haulers that carry enough to pay for 2 tornados and still have 200mill spare, I usually have a friend in a nado with me just in case situations like this arise more tanks will just make people feel safer and carry more making it viable for more people to group together[/quote]


Now that sounds like fun, and profitable all at the same time. Let me know if you need another.

Yes, I confess I am a ganker.

I get paid by various local industrialist carebears that don't want to directly engage in killing their fellow capsuleers. They pay me and my ganker mates to kill certain targeted competition to their economic interests. Of course miners and haulers are the obvious targets for these behind the scenes economic titans.

I have no problem being a pawn in the game the indistrialists play since it pays well and provides countless hours of pleasure in a game I enjoy with my mates.

I gank because my pod tells me too.

MY POD.

ITS DEFECTIVE.

ARGHHH.

If you define gankers as the guys who blow up mining/hauling ships in Hi Sec.

I think people hate gankers because they are effectivly "taking candy from a kid". Anyone can do it. All you need is some understanding of game mechanics.

Kudos to the ones that hit the jackpot though, a 5 bill profit from popping a hauler is a nice win. The ones who make a decent living from ganking gain some gruding respect I suppose.

Mostly though, I think gankers are viewed along similar lines as rectal dandruff. Quite rightly so.