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Best PvP Strategic Cruiser
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Volundark Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-09-01 15:06:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Volundark Gallente
I was Told that Proteus is the best WH pvp strategic cruiser, i was just wondering what is the best for known space pvp strategic cruiser.

and is there any fit that you guys can share for pvp proteus in known space. would it be better if its a cloaky one or not in a known space?

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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-01 15:47:00 UTC
Best depends a lot on application. I'd rate the fast lock web Loki at top, many others would list 100MN tengu and fleet tengu.

These are prone to change in the upcoming balance iteration rounds.
Seraph Castillon
In Control
#3 - 2013-09-01 15:48:17 UTC
Go and get your first kills in a frigate first.
Baggo Hammers
#4 - 2013-09-02 01:57:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Baggo Hammers
The Spod wrote:
Best depends a lot on application. I'd rate the fast lock web Loki at top, many others would list 100MN tengu and fleet tengu.

These are prone to change in the upcoming balance iteration rounds.



This.

In a hurry?


Won't be worth squat without T2 guns, armor, all gunnery skills, armor skills, energy skills etc.

Until then try some frigate pvp.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Volundark Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-02 05:20:49 UTC
still no answer if proteus is a good pvp t3 cruiser for known space.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-09-02 05:35:45 UTC
Volundark Gallente wrote:
Hey, i was just wondering if we can cloak and run away using covert ops cloaking device when we are in a battle


I think the previous responders have provided you with good advice. Much as you'd like people to take you seriously asking about 'best' T3 cruisers in the same breath as not knowing you cannot cloak while target-locked suggests that you should be out getting some pvp experience in frigates.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Volundark Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-09-02 05:41:22 UTC


Was Just looking at some recommendations on t3 cruiser, wasnt going to really fly them or anything.

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Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#8 - 2013-09-02 06:49:23 UTC
Yes the proteus is really good,u should defo get one and when u do give me a call,i'd be more then happy to show u how it blows up..erhm flies and owns!

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
Daniras
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-09-02 07:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniras
Volundark Gallente wrote:


Was Just looking at some recommendations on t3 cruiser, wasnt going to really fly them or anything.


How can anyone make a recommendation when we don't know the type of PvP your hoping to do?

Highsec wardeccing? A proteus will do just fine because you'll have picked out **** easy targets to kill with nearly no risk so the high tank, high dps would allow you to burn stuff down before it deaggressed on gates/stations (unless its well tanked) or likewise in a lot of situations to deaggress yourself. (This goes for small gang and solo stuff in high tbh)

Lowesec/Null Sec - Solo. Cloaky Subsystem, MWD and go around looking for miners and anom runners, probe them, warp in cloaked and bump with the MWD until you can lock and pop them. Again works well because of high dps.

Lowsec - Solo 2.0 Setup on a highsec/lowsec gate and camp it with the self rep subsystem and possibly your own "alts" or on your own. Again pretty risk free if you pick your fights well and rep your sec status whenever it drops.

Lowsec/Nullsec - with friends - As a small gang ships its a fairly large sum of money to fly around but its going to offer you the same high tank high dps package and with the long point/scram sub allow you some range control with your fleet. For null you can also stick in the Interdiction Nullifier subsystem and scout for your gang as you wont be caught by bubbles.

Low/Null - Lots of Friends - in a dedicated armour BS/Armour T3 fleet the proteus like all of the T3s has its specific role beyond DPS. With the long point subsystem and fleet boosts you can stay on field through the hightank/resistance and fleet reps to long point or scram down the hostile ships expensive stuff while your fleets longer range BS blap it.


Maybe when you give us a bit more of the specifics of what your looking for then we can help you.
Volundark Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-09-02 11:46:54 UTC
Daniras wrote:
Volundark Gallente wrote:


Was Just looking at some recommendations on t3 cruiser, wasnt going to really fly them or anything.


How can anyone make a recommendation when we don't know the type of PvP your hoping to do?

Highsec wardeccing? A proteus will do just fine because you'll have picked out **** easy targets to kill with nearly no risk so the high tank, high dps would allow you to burn stuff down before it deaggressed on gates/stations (unless its well tanked) or likewise in a lot of situations to deaggress yourself. (This goes for small gang and solo stuff in high tbh)

Lowesec/Null Sec - Solo. Cloaky Subsystem, MWD and go around looking for miners and anom runners, probe them, warp in cloaked and bump with the MWD until you can lock and pop them. Again works well because of high dps.

Lowsec - Solo 2.0 Setup on a highsec/lowsec gate and camp it with the self rep subsystem and possibly your own "alts" or on your own. Again pretty risk free if you pick your fights well and rep your sec status whenever it drops.

Lowsec/Nullsec - with friends - As a small gang ships its a fairly large sum of money to fly around but its going to offer you the same high tank high dps package and with the long point/scram sub allow you some range control with your fleet. For null you can also stick in the Interdiction Nullifier subsystem and scout for your gang as you wont be caught by bubbles.

Low/Null - Lots of Friends - in a dedicated armour BS/Armour T3 fleet the proteus like all of the T3s has its specific role beyond DPS. With the long point subsystem and fleet boosts you can stay on field through the hightank/resistance and fleet reps to long point or scram down the hostile ships expensive stuff while your fleets longer range BS blap it.


Maybe when you give us a bit more of the specifics of what your looking for then we can help you.



Thanks for the reply,

I was looking for solo low sec/ null sec on a proteus, was looking for a cloaky one where i can ambush people and destroy mining ops. also looking for WH pvp but thats a different story. maybe i will also go with 2-4 people to hunt some people but will i need a cloaky one if im in a gang?

and a question, How strong is t3 cruisers compared to t2 ships in EHP and DPS.

i was looking at some fits at e-uni
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Proteus#Fitting
but they dont show any cloaky fit where i can ambush people.



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Daniras
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-09-02 16:57:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniras
Volundark Gallente wrote:


Thanks for the reply,

I was looking for solo low sec/ null sec on a proteus, was looking for a cloaky one where i can ambush people and destroy mining ops. also looking for WH pvp but thats a different story. maybe i will also go with 2-4 people to hunt some people but will i need a cloaky one if im in a gang?

and a question, How strong is t3 cruisers compared to t2 ships in EHP and DPS.

i was looking at some fits at e-uni
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Proteus#Fitting
but they dont show any cloaky fit where i can ambush people.



[Proteus, DPS Cloaky]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

One possible fit for Solo cloaky ganking of miners. Just a cheap fit but it will be tight on CPU unless you've got pretty good fitting skills. Its cloaky and with enough gank to kill off miners (it is however shameless EFT warrioring so if someone else actually ganks miners in low then please give your fit instead) ((PS swap in the interdiction nullifier for nullsec ganking and drop one of the EANM II's))

Faction scram gives you the 3 points of warp disruption and the web is always handy as a gtfo out of scram range to MWD out of point range to warp.

[Proteus, Fleet Faction]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii A-Type Explosive Plating
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Damage Control II

Shadow Serpentis 10MN Microwarpdrive
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature


Hammerhead II x5


Roll that out for a WH fleet with decent logistics and EWAR support and you'll be golden. Obviously a bit more of a loot pinata but if you've got logi and your in a standup fight versus another fleet the ISK is well spent.

Pyfa stats with level 5 skills are

EHP - 170k
DPS - 861 with drones
Speed - 1188m/s

But like everything in eve if you can't afford to lose it then don't undock it. About cloaky in a gang it depends if you have someone else to scout. If you don't then it can be handy to have a cloaky T3 to scout the fleet.
Volundark Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-09-03 03:27:35 UTC
Daniras wrote:
Volundark Gallente wrote:


Thanks for the reply,

I was looking for solo low sec/ null sec on a proteus, was looking for a cloaky one where i can ambush people and destroy mining ops. also looking for WH pvp but thats a different story. maybe i will also go with 2-4 people to hunt some people but will i need a cloaky one if im in a gang?

and a question, How strong is t3 cruisers compared to t2 ships in EHP and DPS.

i was looking at some fits at e-uni
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Proteus#Fitting
but they dont show any cloaky fit where i can ambush people.



[Proteus, DPS Cloaky]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

One possible fit for Solo cloaky ganking of miners. Just a cheap fit but it will be tight on CPU unless you've got pretty good fitting skills. Its cloaky and with enough gank to kill off miners (it is however shameless EFT warrioring so if someone else actually ganks miners in low then please give your fit instead) ((PS swap in the interdiction nullifier for nullsec ganking and drop one of the EANM II's))

Faction scram gives you the 3 points of warp disruption and the web is always handy as a gtfo out of scram range to MWD out of point range to warp.

[Proteus, Fleet Faction]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii A-Type Explosive Plating
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Damage Control II

Shadow Serpentis 10MN Microwarpdrive
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature


Hammerhead II x5


Roll that out for a WH fleet with decent logistics and EWAR support and you'll be golden. Obviously a bit more of a loot pinata but if you've got logi and your in a standup fight versus another fleet the ISK is well spent.

Pyfa stats with level 5 skills are

EHP - 170k
DPS - 861 with drones
Speed - 1188m/s

But like everything in eve if you can't afford to lose it then don't undock it. About cloaky in a gang it depends if you have someone else to scout. If you don't then it can be handy to have a cloaky T3 to scout the fleet.


Okay, Thanks a lot for the fitting that you shared.

can u give the stats on the cloaky one?
the friction one has a badass stats lol

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2013-09-03 06:46:41 UTC
Use EFT

and never fly a Proteus without drones, that's just stupid.

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Daniras
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-09-03 07:09:59 UTC
Roime wrote:
Use EFT

and never fly a Proteus without drones, that's just stupid.



Pray tell me how do you fly a cloaky proteus with drones? If your using a cloaky proteus to gank stuff why would you even need the drones versus the ability to warp cloaked?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2013-09-03 07:52:43 UTC
Have you tried EFT?

Or reading the subsystem stats?

Probably not, so here's a PRO TIP: Augmented Capacitor Reservoir fits with the cloak subsys. Paper DPS with 4 turrets and a flight of Hobs (you get bay for 4 flights of lights) is about the same as that 5-turret version, but drones expand your dmg projection and application.

You need the drones so you don't die to for example a freaking rail Atron, for throwing ECMs on tackle when **** goes south and hell, why not have light rep drones there to rep your suicide tackle covops buddy or anyone after a fight.

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Daniras
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-09-03 17:35:33 UTC
I stand corrected. Oops Like I mentioned earlier I don't go around with a cloaky proteus ganking stuff I use mine for small fleet stuff.

I'm answering the question best I can until someone comes up with a better answer. So care to post a fit for the guy based around the cloaky sub and the augmented cap resevoir?

It does make the fit I linked tighter to fit, so downgrading the plate wouldn't hurt EHP too badly but give easier fitting and a bit more mobility.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Fraternity.
#17 - 2013-09-03 23:22:09 UTC
I am no expert, but just looking at the weapons choices for the 4 races, the proteus will be prone to being kited. So maybe not so good for solo PVP. Solo ganking miners in any area can be done with cheaper options, ie recons, stealth bombers etc. But if this is your plan, they will all work just fine.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-09-04 09:39:34 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
I am no expert, but just looking at the weapons choices for the 4 races, the proteus will be prone to being kited. So maybe not so good for solo PVP. Solo ganking miners in any area can be done with cheaper options, ie recons, stealth bombers etc. But if this is your plan, they will all work just fine.


Yes, the standard caveats to armor blaster boats apply, neuts and kiting. Every fit should have some cap warfare, NOS or injector, and pilot needs to be aware of speeds all the time- don't go chasing after kiters, just bail. However, cloaky Proteus has a number of tricks up it's sleeve which make it a very viable solo option:

1) cloak means you choose what you fight. Stay away from 100MN Tengus.
2) cloak means you start the fight in the range you choose. Use bump tackling, and you'll have the target tightly in your jaws.
3) it has longer scram than other ships, that along with a faction web means it's actually the one controlling range when flown right.
4) it has a massive tank, whether active or buffer fitted. Battleship EHP combined with cruiser sig is not to be underestimated. This means it can get away from many uncomfortable situations just by it's tank, burn to gate/hole, or just align out until ECM drones do their dirty deed.

It's a ship not just for ganking miners (like said above anything will do for that, I'd go for a bomber for that personally), it can viably fight many targets from frigates to battleships. Just be aware of the weaknesses and play on it's strengths, and it'll serve you as a rather fantastic solo and small gang ship, and will provide you with countless of good fights.

Daniras I try remember to link a fit later, don't have EFT at hand. Forum search if you're in a hurry :)

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Volundark Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-09-04 12:08:02 UTC
Thanks for the reply Guys, so im now wondering what are the strength and weakness of a Cloaky PvP proteus.

i learned a lot from all your post guys, Thanks again

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2013-09-05 12:12:10 UTC
Depends entirely on what you want to do with them

But all of them are great at something. Since the HML nerf none of them is really heads and shoulders better than the others.

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