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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#81 - 2011-11-14 00:09:21 UTC
Grarr Dexx wrote:
poor testies so easily trolled

*******

Well he doesn't have a leg to stand on and he knows it. As if the Goon leadership is going to divulge to him what their revenue stream includes and how it will be spent. There are no mechanisms in the game to do this for him and this is the exploit that every Corporate/Alliance in Zero has more or less used to it's benefit.

As for the Goons specifically... What do they say about "honor among thieves"?
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#82 - 2011-11-14 00:11:56 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Grarr Dexx wrote:
poor testies so easily trolled


welcome to the internet, home of Poe's Law.

Except this guy was the same moron who suggested this, so all signs point to mouthbreather, considering his terrible attempts to self-upvote and disguise himself while retaining precisely the same writing style, down to those stars after every quote.

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U mad? Much?
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2011-11-14 00:12:03 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:


Hi ! I'm the Mittanni and I am a river of benefits to my slav.. er, uh people !
Trust me! No .. Really.. Trust me! I mean no Goon ever scammed anyone... ever.. well .. almost never....


except those benefits? they actually happen.

************

Cents on the dollar mate.

ECONOMICAL LOGIC ERROR

your proposing "cents on the dollar" as if they should be paid a better ratio...

companies have expenses
companies have many employees

if you pay your employee 2 cents per every dollar the store makes in profit, then you have the maximum ability to have 50 employees, and zero growth for the store.

more then likely, lets say for example wal-mart, will pay each employee in that store about 1/3 a cent per dolalr made in store profits (not that you pay is dependent on store sales, but it is an example of what money they would reserve for wages would be drawn from). if thy paid them mroe the company woudl go out of business.

so eys, im sure that TEST players would LOVE to be making more money from the corp itself, but that would run the risk of too much money going out at once, which would necessitate the closing of programs such as ship reimbursement.


now im no expert on the economics of TEST, but in any business, expecting to be paid more then "cents on the dollar" by your company is mighty unrealistic and absurd.

i think your problem is you never took the time in elementary or middle school to learn econoimcs, am i right?
Navira Rel'kan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2011-11-14 00:16:51 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:


Hi ! I'm the Mittanni and I am a river of benefits to my slav.. er, uh people !
Trust me! No .. Really.. Trust me! I mean no Goon ever scammed anyone... ever.. well .. almost never....


except those benefits? they actually happen.

************

Cents on the dollar mate.

ECONOMICAL LOGIC ERROR

your proposing "cents on the dollar" as if they should be paid a better ratio...

companies have expenses
companies have many employees

if you pay your employee 2 cents per every dollar the store makes in profit, then you have the maximum ability to have 50 employees, and zero growth for the store.

more then likely, lets say for example wal-mart, will pay each employee in that store about 1/3 a cent per dolalr made in store profits (not that you pay is dependent on store sales, but it is an example of what money they would reserve for wages would be drawn from). if thy paid them mroe the company woudl go out of business.

so eys, im sure that TEST players would LOVE to be making more money from the corp itself, but that would run the risk of too much money going out at once, which would necessitate the closing of programs such as ship reimbursement.


now im no expert on the economics of TEST, but in any business, expecting to be paid more then "cents on the dollar" by your company is mighty unrealistic and absurd.

i think your problem is you never took the time in elementary or middle school to learn econoimcs, am i right?

Im not sure what Wal-Mart you worked at, but please point me to it, i woudl love wages THAT high.
Jita Alt666
#85 - 2011-11-14 00:17:29 UTC
Here is an idea that might make 0.0 more inviting. Well the idiot who wrote it thinks so:
Idiots Idea
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#86 - 2011-11-14 00:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Comrade Commizzar
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:


Hi ! I'm the Mittanni and I am a river of benefits to my slav.. er, uh people !
Trust me! No .. Really.. Trust me! I mean no Goon ever scammed anyone... ever.. well .. almost never....


except those benefits? they actually happen.

************

Cents on the dollar mate.

ECONOMICAL LOGIC ERROR

your proposing "cents on the dollar" as if they should be paid a better ratio...

companies have expenses
companies have many employees

if you pay your employee 2 cents per every dollar the store makes in profit, then you have the maximum ability to have 50 employees, and zero growth for the store.

more then likely, lets say for example wal-mart, will pay each employee in that store about 1/3 a cent per dolalr made in store profits (not that you pay is dependent on store sales, but it is an example of what money they would reserve for wages would be drawn from). if thy paid them mroe the company woudl go out of business.

so eys, im sure that TEST players would LOVE to be making more money from the corp itself, but that would run the risk of too much money going out at once, which would necessitate the closing of programs such as ship reimbursement.


now im no expert on the economics of TEST, but in any business, expecting to be paid more then "cents on the dollar" by your company is mighty unrealistic and absurd.

i think your problem is you never took the time in elementary or middle school to learn econoimcs, am i right?



No, you are wrong . I am suggesting that he is getting cents given back to him out of dollars that he is contributing to his Corp/Alliance in the form of defence work, industrial effort, and other time he contributed (which he is likely paying for).

This is the "Zero Isk Plantation" scam that most of zero suffers under. Why anyone would waste their game time performing the part of a "serf" completely escapes me. I guess no one in zero ever went broke underestimating the average intelligence of the mob.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#87 - 2011-11-14 00:20:05 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Well he doesn't have a leg to stand on and he knows it. As if the Goon leadership is going to divulge to him what their revenue stream includes and how it will be spent. There are no mechanisms in the game to do this for him and this is the exploit that every Corporate/Alliance in Zero has more or less used to it's benefit.

As for the Goons specifically... What do they say about "honor among thieves"?


Actually, our leadership does divulge revenue sources and expenses. We publish our finances and our auditor is obliged to publish every financial discrepancy in his monthly report, and he has the full director APIs for the relevant corps.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2011-11-14 00:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: 1-Up Mushroom
Give us CONCORD down there and NPC stations everywhere, also remove bubbles, Interdictors, Heavy Interdictors and anything that can harm us, along with giving 20 static 10/10, 9/10, 8/10, 7/10, 6/10 and 5/10 plexes in each and every system. Oh and also seed every mod down there for mineral base cost

EDIT: My bad, forgot a few things. Give us L4 and L5 agents in every system, along with a minimum of 100 Combat signatures in each system, along with 100 radar and 100 mag sites. Also make belts only spawn triple BS's and double their bountys, along with every other belt you warp into have a faction spawn that must drop a minimum of 500m ISK worths of loot. Also make sure at least 1 officer spawns every 10 belts you enter, and reduce their tank's and DPS to about, say... 10, yea that' good, then make them always drop a minimum of 10b worth of items.

Also have pirate BS's, Crusiers and Frigates, spawn every minute on each gate in the system, make sure that there's nobody in them so we can hop into them and pilot them. Also make it when you warp into the sun your wallet increases by 100b.

I would also like at least 20 asteroid belts that only spawn ABC ore along with 10 Ice Belts.

Yea, then I might think about going into null, just maybe
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Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#89 - 2011-11-14 00:26:48 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Here is an idea that might make 0.0 more inviting. Well the idiot who wrote it thinks so:
Idiots Idea
I declare you tedious king. Soverign of the tedious empire. If you were on the CCP design team you would have us all playing internet spread sheets.
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#90 - 2011-11-14 00:30:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Comrade Commizzar
Andski wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Well he doesn't have a leg to stand on and he knows it. As if the Goon leadership is going to divulge to him what their revenue stream includes and how it will be spent. There are no mechanisms in the game to do this for him and this is the exploit that every Corporate/Alliance in Zero has more or less used to it's benefit.

As for the Goons specifically... What do they say about "honor among thieves"?


Actually, our leadership does divulge revenue sources and expenses. We publish our finances and our auditor is obliged to publish every financial discrepancy in his monthly report, and he has the full director APIs for the relevant corps.

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and I have some great water front property I can sell you cheap... just as soon as the tide goes out. Big smile
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2011-11-14 00:37:01 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Andski wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Well he doesn't have a leg to stand on and he knows it. As if the Goon leadership is going to divulge to him what their revenue stream includes and how it will be spent. There are no mechanisms in the game to do this for him and this is the exploit that every Corporate/Alliance in Zero has more or less used to it's benefit.

As for the Goons specifically... What do they say about "honor among thieves"?


Actually, our leadership does divulge revenue sources and expenses. We publish our finances and our auditor is obliged to publish every financial discrepancy in his monthly report, and he has the full director APIs for the relevant corps.

***********

and I have some great water front property I can sell you cheap... just as soon as the tide goes out. Big smile

while your waiting for the tide to go out, i gues ill just haul a ****-ton of sand to expand the beach, build a hosue, and sell it.

tough noodles for you.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#92 - 2011-11-14 00:42:08 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Andski wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Well he doesn't have a leg to stand on and he knows it. As if the Goon leadership is going to divulge to him what their revenue stream includes and how it will be spent. There are no mechanisms in the game to do this for him and this is the exploit that every Corporate/Alliance in Zero has more or less used to it's benefit.

As for the Goons specifically... What do they say about "honor among thieves"?


Actually, our leadership does divulge revenue sources and expenses. We publish our finances and our auditor is obliged to publish every financial discrepancy in his monthly report, and he has the full director APIs for the relevant corps.

***********

and I have some great water front property I can sell you cheap... just as soon as the tide goes out. Big smile


This is fairly dated, but it gives you a good idea of how our ISK is spent.

http://www.kugu tsumen.com/showthread.php?6254-Goons&p=149086&viewfull=1#post149086

But please keep suggesting that we're all slaves keeping The Mittani's moongoo empire running.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#93 - 2011-11-14 00:44:41 UTC
Andski wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Andski wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Well he doesn't have a leg to stand on and he knows it. As if the Goon leadership is going to divulge to him what their revenue stream includes and how it will be spent. There are no mechanisms in the game to do this for him and this is the exploit that every Corporate/Alliance in Zero has more or less used to it's benefit.

As for the Goons specifically... What do they say about "honor among thieves"?


Actually, our leadership does divulge revenue sources and expenses. We publish our finances and our auditor is obliged to publish every financial discrepancy in his monthly report, and he has the full director APIs for the relevant corps.

***********

and I have some great water front property I can sell you cheap... just as soon as the tide goes out. Big smile


This is fairly dated, but it gives you a good idea of how our ISK is spent.

http://www.kugu tsumen.com/showthread.php?6254-Goons&p=149086&viewfull=1#post149086

But please keep suggesting that we're all slaves keeping The Mittani's moongoo empire running.

*******
Pardon me if I don't drink the Kool Aid...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#94 - 2011-11-14 01:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Pardon me if I don't drink the Kool Aid...


Feel free to give me a more convincing argument concerning the alleged trillions of ISK that The Mittani embezzles for his alleged RMT empire than "YOU JUST DON'T SEE IT MAN."

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
ASadOldGit
Doomheim
#95 - 2011-11-14 03:43:04 UTC
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
Just be honest warp bubbles are not necessary, and prevent many players from attempting nullsec.

Would a compromise of not allowing bubbles on the gate, but allowing them everywhere else, work? (i.e. they "interfere with the gate systems" or something). Basically, they get to peek through the curtains before the crazy loon with the shotgun comes out?

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ASadOldGit
Doomheim
#96 - 2011-11-14 03:44:00 UTC  |  Edited by: ASadOldGit
Pinaculus wrote:

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If you need friends in null to be successful in null, and you've never been to null before and have no friends there, then doesn't that mean you get to lose ships repeatedly until you somehow magically make friends in null?
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Akirei Scytale wrote:

Uhh, connections and friends are just about the most important thing for success *anywhere*, from life to EVE. It is *NOT* hard to join an established nullsec alliance, and it is simply ******** to complain that the combined will of 1000 individual human beings is going to steamroll the combined will of 15.

Akirei Scytale wrote:
MeestaPenni wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:

you check intelligence reports, communicate with allies, and take it slow and safe. or just ask a friend. but you specified single player, as though EVE was some sort of single player game where everything was intended to do solo.

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"Communicate with allies"....you mean the other hundreds of members in the NPC corp blundering around high-sec?
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first mistake is being a part of an NPC corp. second mistake is trying to take a freaking BS into null.

you know what my first experiences in nullsec were, as a complete newbie years ago? flying a freaking rifter and having locals chase me across entire regions. that was absurdly fun, and i had no ******* clue what i was doing. so don't assume everyone interested in nullsec is the kind of idiot who would try to roam solo in a battleship.


These are issues for me too. I'm slow to form friendships in RL, and IMO the NPC schools don't exactly encourage team-play - I think they encourage solo-play more than anything else. Do you think having a "mentor" (CCP or player) in the NPC schools to organise fleet ops, and eventually, nullsec roams, would open peoples eyes to what's out there?

There may be lots of people who have intentionally chosen highsec because they don't like what's in nullsec, but I'm betting there's a lot more who simply don't know anything different because they have the perception that nullsec is too hard. People like me need that attitude slapped out of them - preferably within the first month or two of joining the game.

Perhaps it sounds like I need my hand held. Perhaps I do. But I bet perception alone is stopping a lot of people trying. I don't see any titanium testicular implants in the Nex store, so how do I change my perception? People like you, Akirei, probably saw an opportunity and grabbed it, while I watched it from a distance and thought "Ooh, what's that?" (edit: but that's my problem, not yours or the games')

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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#97 - 2011-11-14 03:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Comrade Commizzar
Andski wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Pardon me if I don't drink the Kool Aid...


Feel free to give me a more convincing argument concerning the alleged trillions of ISK that The Mittani embezzles for his alleged RMT empire than "YOU JUST DON'T SEE IT MAN."

********

I don't have a need to convince you of anything. It is the highsec crowd that needs convincing and you are a Goon.
You don't seem to understand where you stand in the Eve community when it comes to believability.

(Hint)
Your veracity level is somewhere
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down there ... somewhere... with the rest of your scams.
Thanks for playing, please come again.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#98 - 2011-11-14 03:47:46 UTC
Hold on, I think this guy thinks that there are people who take him seriously.
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Doomheim
#99 - 2011-11-14 03:50:58 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Hold on, I think this guy thinks that there are people who take him seriously.


We should keep him around. He makes me laugh.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#100 - 2011-11-14 03:56:00 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
I don't have a need to convince you of anything. It is the highsec crowd that needs convincing and you are a Goon.
You don't seem to understand where you stand in the Eve community when it comes to believability.


You fail to understand, random forum alt guy - the burden is on you, not me.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar