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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#901 - 2013-09-03 16:07:28 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Except we don't actually make that much isk from ganking freighters. You seem to be ignoring this fact.


baltec claimed that 15+ people made 60b in one day... then claimed that figure matched up with your 2m/hour/person.

You'll have to fogive me if that gets a little confusing.



In one tick. The day's count could have been much higher still.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#902 - 2013-09-03 16:09:30 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Except we don't actually make that much isk from ganking freighters. You seem to be ignoring this fact.


baltec claimed that 15+ people made 60b in one day... then claimed that figure matched up with your 2m/hour/person.

You'll have to fogive me if that gets a little confusing.


Suicide ganking isn't a taxable activity. I see where you're going wrong here, you don't understand game mechanics.



baltec did say they had a 3bil tax to wallet and their tax rate was 5%...

Whether you guys donate a portion of your proceeds to a specific wallet or not is not really the argument is it?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#903 - 2013-09-03 16:12:12 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Except we don't actually make that much isk from ganking freighters. You seem to be ignoring this fact.


baltec claimed that 15+ people made 60b in one day... then claimed that figure matched up with your 2m/hour/person.

You'll have to fogive me if that gets a little confusing.


Suicide ganking isn't a taxable activity. I see where you're going wrong here, you don't understand game mechanics.



baltec did say they had a 3bil tax to wallet and their tax rate was 5%...

Whether you guys donate a portion of your proceeds to a specific wallet or not is not really the argument is it?


That was from ratting with a fleet.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#904 - 2013-09-03 16:33:12 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:


That contradicts your answers. Or is that to be seen as an agreement from you?


Noobships are free, and come armed. In sufficient numbers, they can be used to kill anything in the game, from other noobships to titans. Considering that cost is apparently now a balance factor, this makes the noobship the most OP and unbalanced item in the entire game.



Yes. Hence the contradiction. I underlined both parts of the original quote that stemmed my question (even thought hat was 20 pages ago jesus you guys are busy).

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#905 - 2013-09-03 16:35:01 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i go out for dinner and you guys fill 4 pages. good job.

and oh **** murk is posting, this is going nowhere good.



That already started with you and your "im not social" discussion back in the single digit pages.

Don't start a fight you have no hope of winning sir.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#906 - 2013-09-03 16:35:52 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Explain why isk-tanking is a good idea? If freighters were to get this, why not every other ship in the game?


Because the downside of ganking in high sec is supposed to be the cost? Can you name another ship that has alt corporations dedicated to ganking one indiscriminately every ~20 minutes?


Can you name an alt corporation that actually does this, because I don't know of any.



Code Logistics?


They don't even indiscriminately gank a barge every 20 minutes.



If there were more orcas to be found they would. (Although that's industrial and you could pidgeon hole it... but meh whatever).

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#907 - 2013-09-03 16:36:29 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:


The cargohold of a freighter would have to be nerfed by a certain percentage to make up for every low slot or rig slot that it gained. To haul iHubs & Station egg's the freighter pilot would have to fit cargohold expanders. Tippia did all of the math on this awhile back, he might post it if you ask nicely.



What about mids? Or specific sized modules for those technically not a capital freighter?

What about adding something instead of just taking away? There's plenty of battleship and capital modules that just dont fit to any ship and also have serious penalties when fitted to other ships not meant for those modules.

No need to have to change the hull itself.


Sure, but since a freighter, like an Orca, tanks with it's structure...



So you'd be okay with the changes?

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Ragnen Delent
13.
#908 - 2013-09-03 16:50:02 UTC
Do bad posters work in shifts or something, holy hell.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#909 - 2013-09-03 16:54:58 UTC
Ragnen Delent wrote:
Do bad posters work in shifts or something, holy hell.


Im going with yes.
Dave Stark
#910 - 2013-09-03 17:01:29 UTC
it wouldn't be so bad, but murk is an obvious and self confessed forum troll. why do people even bother replying to him?
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#911 - 2013-09-03 17:25:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Are you serious? How many 2's into 100? 50 right. For each 2 you have 100%. 50 x 100 = 5000.

You do know how percentages work right? 1 is 1% of 100, ergo 2 is 2% of 100

Using your figures :

1,000,000 is 1% of 100,000,000, ergo 2,000,000 is 2% of 100,000,000

100-2=98 therefore it's a 98% reduction in the cost per pilot required to gank a freighter

per·cent also per cent (pr-snt)
adv.
Out of each hundred; per hundred.

If I buy something for £2 and sell it for £100 I haven't made a 5000% profit, I've made an 98% profit.






Uh what? No. Reread that.

The % would be of the 2 pound not the 100 pound.

You did it backwards. 2 is 98%(less) of 100.

100 is 5000% of 2.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#912 - 2013-09-03 17:29:20 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
it's actually a sad moment when ziona is right.

She's not, In my last job I spent 4 years doing profit margin calculations all day.
Ziona is confusing Markup with Profit Margin.

Cost = 2
Sell = 4
Markup = 100%
Margin = 50%

Very different calculations.


100% of 100% is the same.

When you buy something for 2 and sell it for 4, that's 100% profit.

Here's a little bit of storytime... you have $2. You buy a soda. Someone wants your soda really really really bad. You sell it for 4. You have tour 2 back. 100% of 2 is 2. 2 plus 2 is 4.

Ergo, you bought a 2 dollar soda and made 100% profit selling it for 2.

If you use it to buy ANOTHER soda to repeat the process, you use 50% of your profit (margin) to continue to make 100% profits at 50% costs of you profits which would be a 50% margin.

Single event is by far different than what you're trying to prove.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#913 - 2013-09-03 17:33:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

No need, simple to not allow capitals to be put into a hold or not allow them to be assembled in high, or not allow freighters with capital ships in hold to enter high sec or more fun to have customs fine or nuke freighters with banned caps inside... your protestation is just an excuse to not nerf your cash cow.


why should ccp **** up all the code they have to fix.... erm, nothing?



You mean streamline what they already set by rules?

Because it's their rules. There did used to be a time you COULD have capitals in highsec. When they CHANGED that ability they did not finish their code. And you can still have grandfathered capitals in highsec.

So, question time... if fixing a freighter by allowing it to have fitting mods would allow a freighter to carry a capital, what would stop that freighter from actually doing it? I mean you can carry other ships, so that's a mechanic put in place right?

So, since CCP changed the rules, and did not finish the coding, you're damned right CCP should fix their ****** up code.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#914 - 2013-09-03 17:34:44 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
it's actually a sad moment when ziona is right.

She's not, In my last job I spent 4 years doing profit margin calculations all day.
Ziona is confusing Markup with Profit Margin.

Cost = 2
Sell = 4
Markup = 100%
Margin = 50%

Very different calculations.

Maybe an indication why you don't have that job anymore.

Actually I don't have the job anymore because the company no longer trades in the UK.

I was using margins to demonstrate that a reduction in cost from 100,000,000 to 2,000,000 is not a 5000% reduction in cost. A percentage is expressed as a part of 100. The clue is in the word percent; per (a part) and cent (100).

http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/financial/margin-calculator.php try using the figures of 2 as cost and 4 as sell and then tell me that my figure of a 50% margin is wrong. Try it with the cost as 2 and the sell as 100 as well. It returns a 98% profit, 4900% markup.



I think you have %s and $s messed up a bit dude.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#915 - 2013-09-03 17:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Dave Stark wrote:
it wouldn't be so bad, but murk is an obvious and self confessed forum troll. why do people even bother replying to him?



I said I have trolled people. And listed the reasons for doing it. Doesn't mean I AM a troll.

You focus on too many incorrect things sir. By post, you troll far more than me.

And as an edit, it would be better without people like you NOT contributing to the thread. Blame grr goons for that one, it's just too easy.

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Psychoactive Stimulant
#916 - 2013-09-03 17:51:46 UTC
These ******** goon bitches would cry so hard if a freighter could fit a damage control. I'm for this idea just to see these gankers cry.

It's nice enough seeing freighter pilots cry (srsly... 2 webs and you instawarp, you get no love either), don't get me wrong. But wouldnt' it be nice to see these gankers cry in forums?

It'd sound like this:

"CCP, why'd you nerf ganking?"
"My epeen is broken!!! Unnerf ganking!"

The gankers can call frieghter pilots names all day, but you all know that if a freighter could fit a damage control, you'd see ganker tears like Niagra in here.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#917 - 2013-09-03 17:55:00 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Also I want to see an answer to this question that no anti-freighter ganking zealot has answered yet.

Mallak Azaria wrote:
If T1 cats being so effective encourages the ganking of freighters & is the cash cow that you seem to believe it is, then why aren't more people doing it?




There are more people who are ganking industrials and freighters.. There are people who wardec null corps specifically to gank their industrials in highsec. They just use the wardec mechanic to further help their cause so Concord is not involved.

Go look in C&P for yourself.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#918 - 2013-09-03 18:06:31 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
people keep mistaking me for some one polite, and nice.


Not really; I do keep overestimating your reading comprehension though.


i see you've resulted to personal insults rather than actually discussing the topic at hand [not that you knew what that was]. i think that says it all, really.



Indeed.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#919 - 2013-09-03 18:06:33 UTC
Psychoactive Stimulant wrote:
These ******** goon bitches would cry so hard if a freighter could fit a damage control. I'm for this idea just to see these gankers cry.

It's nice enough seeing freighter pilots cry (srsly... 2 webs and you instawarp, you get no love either), don't get me wrong. But wouldnt' it be nice to see these gankers cry in forums?

It'd sound like this:

"CCP, why'd you nerf ganking?"
"My epeen is broken!!! Unnerf ganking!"

The gankers can call frieghter pilots names all day, but you all know that if a freighter could fit a damage control, you'd see ganker tears like Niagra in here.


We would simply adapt like we always do and the "just one more nerf" mob will start demanding we be nerfed again within a month.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#920 - 2013-09-03 18:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Retracted. Wrong quote to use, sorry.

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