Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sure right now there is a lot of pvp in low sec, but wouldn't everyone be happy if there was more?

@ Quote #888.

Post in the thread if you like this idea help! A simple "I like this idea!" would be nice!

So moving stuff from place to place in eve isn't really all that dangerous, difficult, interesting, or that profitable most of the time. Piracy isn't all that profitable either. So why not add more lowsec between the 4 empires. By more I mean, it would be utterly impossible to get from gallente space to caldari space without crossing lowsec at some point.

When doing this I wouldn't want the routes to be setup where there are only 1-2 chokepoints you have to cross, I would also prescribe the addition of new regions.

This would buff trading by making it harder, weird i know but hear me out. The less freighters going back and forth from jita to dodixie moving ice, the more expensive ice is in the area's where it can't be mined. Faction modules become items that must be smuggled across dangerous open waters. Pirates actively hunt badgers full of ore, trading corporations setup large fleets to escort freighters, etc. When I watch TV and see pirates they are plundering trade routes and making commerce harder, eve pirates don't really affect commerce at all.

Imagine all the fun that can be had when you actually have to be at risk to move things? Sure their is suicide ganking but that only happens if your hauling a stupid amount of things or are just unlucky.

If this change was added i would consider a cloaking hauler to move items myself since I am not as inclined to do research to exploit the market under the current landscape.

To ease the transition for players who may be heavily dependent on say building things in Amarr and moving them to Jita or Jita based station traders who can't move things themselves, I propose a few temporary changes to help the transition to a new Eve economy. Every player will get 3 Interbus free move vouchers that can transport 900km3 of items each from any hisec system to another. Players will also get a voucher to move ANY 5 fully assembled ships regardless of cargo. These vouchers would only last for one month.
Additionally the number of direct Hisec-HIsec wormhole connections could be boosted 300%, and over 6 months be slowly brought down to normal levels to assist the redistribution of materials.

Common Arguments:

This would make everyone just live in Jita!


If all hisec players lived in Jita then who would do amarr missions and mine amarr ice/ore?
Not everything can be found in one empire making it nessecary that players spread themselves out evenly.

Every system will be like Rancer

Rancer is Rancer because it is impossible to go around it. Their is only 1 link that connects Minmatar and Caldari space, only one. If new regions are added like I prescribe then it will always be easy to circumvent these camps with a little know how.

This interrupts my playstyle!

Do you really need to do Damsel in Distress once for every faction?
Is it really that big a deal if you now need to sell your products locally instead of at one super hub as an industrialist?

It will all just be jump freightered across the gap!

There are a limited number of jump freighters to move items. At 6bil a pop it will be very difficult to move lots of ships and over the gap constantly. Also with the next patch about to increase fuel prices, such a constant demand for ships jumping will make the JF option less attractive.

If you had the number of jump freighters going back and forth between the empires as you do freightesr autopiloting from amarr to jita, it is likely that the number of pirate dreadnaughts ready to blap you would also go up over time, so obviously a JF isn't totally risk free either.


It is impossible to cross low sec safely and it disrupts traders gameplay!

On the contrary, empire to empire wormholes that can fit freighters and cloaking haulers are available to traders.
Volumes of items being moved to make prices more homogenous will be reduced meaning greater profits will be made each trip making the use of these methods more profitable.

It doesnt make sense lore wise!

WRONG. Borders between enemy nations do not have to be safe and are often not. Security status is not determined by the presence of the empires military but concord's ability to secure those areas. The US Mexico border is a RL example of this, its a desolate desert covered with patrol agents and drug cartel operatives who will sew your genitals to your face and put explosives in them after sending your corpse back to your family.
The borders between allied empires could be also insecure, since they may be frontier areas since this idea comes with adding new regions that disrupt Jugate travel, these areas would be a frontier, thus not very well secured.


Gate camps aren't fun or pvp!

While mostly true the fact that gate camps exist will provide opportunities for pirates to make money actually pirating.
More importantly the fact that a gate camp is there means that someone will want to come and break it up, encouraging fleet pvp off stations encouraging more fun.


New thread about this topic started in CSM Assembly Hall
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175823&find=unread

Proposed layout of the new regions and lore explanation
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2234451#post2234451

The OP is not so much about increasing non-consensual pew as creating scarcity which in turn drives more interesting trade opportunities for those willing to take them.

This is how a real economy works (in simple terms).

Hm, the statement "I am advocating the provision of player-driven law enforcement in lowsec" is pretty crystal clear and based on that an analysis followed. I cannot see any double-meanings in that sentence either, for it is a clear statement.

I have followed the thread from the very beginning and have read the all comments. I am familiar with the mentioned arguments in this thread.

My reply might have had disappointed you and you might feel like as if I have stepped on your toes, but words and sentences mean what they mean and one cannot distort their meanings, just to feel better, or distort the meanings because the responses received were not pleasant to the ears and honey to the heart.

The issue with this thread and the thought experiment of separating the nations is that it is just a thought experiment, a "cool idea that would be a lot of fun", but it has no solid foundation it could rest upon. The thought experiment is built upon sand. Many visitors of this thread have plainly asked simple questions about the empire separations, just check post #856 for example, or go through my posts in the past. Nobody gives any answers based on facts or mentions any sources. The only justification of this thought experiment are personal feelings, like "let's do this, for this would be a hell lot of fun". When I ask for sources, I do not receive any. When I ask whether I did a mistake in my interpretation, I do not receive any answers and corrections based on facts and sources, only based on personal feelings. I receive insults and notes of anger and frustration just because I am challenging arguments and base them on sources that are classified as "lore" here.

The thread is almost 1000 comments long and very detailed concepts and ideas have been presented in this thread concerning the empire separation, however, quantity of posts do not say anything about the quality of the thought experiment. I can remember the OP even argueing that this thread would be a serious subject because of the likes he had received or because of the amount of the posts in this thread - just the activity in this thread. Well, feelings, likes, or the quantity of posts do not provide a solid foundation for a thought experiment but facts do, and I am just missing those facts and am flooded with feelings, emotions and even insults. That's why following this thread is a nice leisure activity during the coffee breaks, nothing more, for the building is shaky.