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imbehindyou Shadow
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-08-31 22:41:05 UTC
Hey guys, I am mostly a gallente pilot and was wondering what the best ship for earning high isk/hour doing plexes in angel space is, I can fly a thanatos (fighters or t2 sentries???)

or would it be more sensible to fly a kronos (a bit suckish I know)

I have just come back from a wee break from EVE, and heard the hyperion underwent some changes...


I am keen to stick to gallente, so was throwing the question to the forum =]

Shadow
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-09-01 01:20:59 UTC
I would go with a MJD sentry domi. Its arguably the best pve ship around for its price.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-09-01 09:53:24 UTC
MJD is pointless in nullsec, you can warp to the anoms at any range you like.

Sentry carrier is top of the food chain when it comes to clearing the high end anoms, just don't be stupid with it.
ComDoggy
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-09-01 20:56:54 UTC
Klymer wrote:
MJD is pointless in nullsec, you can warp to the anoms at any range you like.

Sentry carrier is top of the food chain when it comes to clearing the high end anoms, just don't be stupid with it.


Yeah, dont get awoxed
Iversithyy
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-09-01 22:18:38 UTC
Hi everyone,

I got the same question basically. My corp is sitting in Angel Space and i got some trouble there.
I´m mostly Gallente and got a Hyperion, Megathron, Brutix down there in 0.0.

Right now I´m flying the Brutix with this fit:

[Brutix]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Stasis Webifier I

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Salvager I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I


Valkyrie II x5

It´s decent I can fight up to 3 BS (2 BS with 1.8M) pretty fast and solid.
More than that is risky though which makes sites such as Haven or Lvl3/4 Hubs nearly impossible.
Belt Ratting is easy going but I´m looking for something with more tank.
The DPS is (based on EFT) lower than the DPS with the Megathron for example, but I´m by far faster against Little Pockets with the Brutix.
I can sadly only fit Meta 4 guns into the Mega. T2 possible in 5 Days.

I would prefer Blaster boats (Angels stay pretty close and with MWD/AB it´s solid in my opinion)
My problem is just that i can´t get the Hyperion and Megathron running for sites....
The DPS is below the Brutix DPS (by far !) and the tank is just slightely better which doesn´t safe me against 4+ BS.

So if anyone knows a solid Mega or Hyperion fit for Angel space that would be awesome. Like I said T2 Blaster would be available in 5 Days.

Got not enough ISK to switch towards a Domi and got not enough skills in HAC for the Ishtar.
I would have a Myrmidon in Highsec, but like i said i would prefer Blaster boats.
Thanks in advance and greetings
Iversithy
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-09-02 00:44:02 UTC
If you don't want to cross train you better off switching to drones. Sentry carrier works like a charm. Pretty sure bouncers are going to work better than gaurde's, that's what I used in a carrier. Same principle though for domi's, warp in at range and shoot.

@ Iversithyy , you have your tanking all wrong, dropping the kinetic hardener and changing to a more angel specific tank will go a long way to helping, a DC isn't always the answer to an armor tank. Not in front of HQ, but even just switching the kinetic hardner for an explosive will make a substantial difference The seraphim's do em damage, can't remember exactly, but pretty sure you don't get many of them unless you in a sanctum. I suspect even a T1 meta 4 (800mm ac) maelstrom will do better than your brutix or even the mega with T2 blasters.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-09-02 02:33:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
It sounds like he is a long way from being ready to fly a carrier.

I would definitely switch to a sentry Myrm from the Brutix. Not only can you do the correct type of damage but the drone skills can translate over to a domi and eventually to a carrier. While you can warp to the anoms at any range angles can be rather fast and a MJD can help remove the need for a tank on the Domi.
Iversithyy
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-09-02 10:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Iversithyy
So there is no way around Drones if I want to stay with Gallente in Angel Space?

I read some posts/fits about Hyperions vs. Angels but those are all out dated so I´m not quite sure that would work.


Whats your opinion about this Myrmidon Fit:

[Myrmidon, Myrmidon]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Nosferatu II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I


Valkyrie II x1
Valkyrie II x4
Warrior II x5
Berserker I x4
Berserker I x1

Cap Stable (might be too much thus), 557 HPS (vs. Angel), 35k EHP, 330 DPS (sadly very low).
Could swap out Berserker for Sentry T1 Drones, but I´m not quite sure about this since Angel BS orbit around 38-40KM and all the rest gets closer. So Sentry just for BS and Blaster vs. small stuff maybe.

Still thanks for the reply^^
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-09-02 12:36:41 UTC
Iversithyy wrote:
Whats your opinion about this Myrmidon Fit..


Go for the dominix asap except for the battleship skill it depends on the same skills as the myrmidon, but it's a massive improvement when using sentry drones.

Get relevant drones skills and battleship to 4 and use faction drones, the fifth drones alone is +20% damage and the tracking and optimal bonus adds a lot to damage projection.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Iversithyy
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-09-02 16:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Iversithyy
Since I really don´t like the idea of getting a Dominix, since I got no cash right now to afford one.
Whats whith the Ferox? ^^

[Ferox, Ferox 0.0 Ratting Angel Space]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x5

Would be the fit. ^^
400Hps vs Angel
107k EHP
425dps with 1242 Volley (drones + guns)
with my skills
Would that be enough to go for anomalies like Angel hub (Forsaken if possible) or Angel Haven ? or is that still too weak in tank and dps?

If only the dominix would work how should I actually fit it saw many fits with mag stabs which i can´t understand. I would use DDA II instead of those mag stabs, but if I´m wrong there tell me :-)


[Dominix, Dominix 0.0 Ratting Angel Space]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Booster II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Drone Link Augmentor I
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I


Warden I x5
Berserker I x5
Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5

this would be a totally random in 2 min designed fitting by me. I wouldn´t go Armor tank (even though i got my skills a bit better in armor tanking), since the 40% difference in EXP resi isn´t worth it if I see it in comparision with my skills.

So a shield tanked Domi with drone damage boost would be what i´m thinking about.
Would be nice if you could clear out my mistakes there^^
Thanks in advance

P.S. With my skills the Ferox got 100HPS more, 5K EHP less and 80DPS less.
after around 48 seconds (more or less) the 100HPS would outweight the 5K EHP if I´m not mistaken and from that point its a big difference in Durability for 80DPS.
Cap is on both ships at 3:23.

P.P.S forgot the MWD/AB on the ferox to close in on the 40KM orbiting BS -.-
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-09-02 17:22:55 UTC
Drone boats are generally best that gallente have VS angels.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-09-02 19:38:52 UTC
Active shield tank your domi. Can't remember my fit exactly, but a dread guristas large shield booster and tank it for angels, it is possible to make it cap stable with CCC rigs, the sentry drone rig adds no value once you have 3 x DDA, which you should fit.
Put 2x DLU in the highs and fit a LMJD to keep some range. I had some rails, but they don't add a huge amount. the idea is to keep range and snipe them. T2 garde's with 3 x DDA' swill get you 850 DPS at over 60km, not sure what the bouncers will do as I am currently in guristas space and use garde's.

If you worried about the fit, test it on the test server. I would still however suggest switch to projectiles. Maelstrom works great till you can afford a mac, even with T1 meta 4 AC's
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-09-02 19:44:34 UTC
Iversithyy wrote:
Since I really don´t like the idea of getting a Dominix, since I got no cash right now to afford one.
Whats whith the Ferox?


you are not willing to use a dominix, but a forex seems like a good idea... go with the feeling, you are clearly not in it for profit, use a merlin it can fit rails...

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Julius Priscus
#14 - 2013-09-02 19:44:36 UTC
Klymer wrote:
MJD is pointless in nullsec, you can warp to the anoms at any range you like.

Sentry carrier is top of the food chain when it comes to clearing the high end anoms, just don't be stupid with it.



till someone comes into local... then you mjd 100km away.. then cloak and or warp off.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-09-02 20:04:22 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
till someone comes into local... then you mjd 100km away.. then cloak and or warp off.


If you standard warp-in is aligned to a gate, you are doing something wrong... save a anom bookmark if you have to,but use something that is not aligned with a gate.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Iversithyy
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-09-03 08:22:46 UTC
It´s not that I´m not in for good ISK grinding it`s more that i cross trained a long time and got nothing really good. Drones are actually pretty **** on me. Thats why I don´t like the idea of getting a expensive ship while I don´t have the skills to use it properly.
Blasters are different. I can use T2 Large Blaster now and in around half a month T2 Lare rails. (Could stop skilling towards it)

I got Large Artillery Specialisation on 3 for example so a Maelstrom with Artis would work good for me, but like i said I don´t got the money right now.
Thats why i asked how to fit the mega and hyperion the best.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#17 - 2013-09-03 08:36:59 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
Iversithyy wrote:
It´s not that I´m not in for good ISK grinding it`s more that i cross trained a long time and got nothing really good. Drones are actually pretty **** on me. Thats why I don´t like the idea of getting a expensive ship while I don´t have the skills to use it properly.
Blasters are different. I can use T2 Large Blaster now and in around half a month T2 Lare rails. (Could stop skilling towards it)

I got Large Artillery Specialisation on 3 for example so a Maelstrom with Artis would work good for me, but like i said I don´t got the money right now.
Thats why i asked how to fit the mega and hyperion the best.


Pretty sure all Angels have ****** projection? Anything with decent range ought to be fine.

You could probably speed tank one of the BC's with a 100mn afterburner, but I wouldn't recommend it.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-09-03 09:01:41 UTC
Would a rail Talos work? I've used it for belt ratting, and works well in every space, you outrange everything and do nice damage at ranges where tracking is not an issue. Of course it's super agile and not expensive post insurance.

.
Iversithyy
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-09-03 14:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Iversithyy
I could check on the Talos via EFT etc. . I will write about it in a bit.
Right now I´m thinking about 2-3rep hyperion with M4 Railguns or T2 Blaster due to the Reparier patch.
Any thoughts on active armor tanking with reparier change on Hyperion / Mega .... ?


Edit: Ok since EFT isn´t up to date with the patch I could only check on the Old version. Talos would work, but I don´t rly like the dps compared to the tankieness.
Seems like I will have to stick to my Brutix and run down Hubs and Dens till my skills are enough to go for something good.

How is the Vindicator or Kronos compared to the Dominix in Isk per Tick?
Can they catch up to the Mach ? (which is clearly the best rat ship even compared to Ships like the Thanatos)
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-09-03 15:55:08 UTC
nothing can catch up mach. not even sentry carrier. Understand that autocannon t2 ammo is explosive and angels need explosive. Apart from that mach do a load of dps and can also carry 4 sentries . With a t2 rig you look at 1400+ DPS with good damage projection

What all other people said go for dominix. Thats your best bet against angels.

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