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Fund Raising Drive For the Guy That Was Scammed By Erotica1

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2013-09-03 12:57:19 UTC
I want to thank Erotica1 for emergent Merchant Role Play

A foole & his money,
be soone at debate:
which after with sorow,
repents him to late.

Thomas Tusser, 1573 AD

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Louise Beethoven
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-09-03 12:57:24 UTC
Ffs just get over yourself and contact Chribba as a third party. He is by far the most trusted person in the game and won't scam you. Everyone wants to see this now.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-09-03 13:03:34 UTC
Louise Beethoven wrote:
Ffs just get over yourself and contact Chribba as a third party. He is by far the most trusted person in the game and won't scam you. Everyone wants to see this now.


As a rule, I don't do middlemen, and I don't trust anyone that doesn't earn my trust. If you have a problem with that, then that is your problem, not mine.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#44 - 2013-09-03 13:07:20 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Citation needed. I don't see how voluntarily handing my money over for a service not provided makes my isk safer than keeping it.

Ask anyone that knows the game if Chribba is trustworthy, hell, ask CCP. The chances of you drunkenly spending your isk, or having someone access your account is higher than the risk of Chribba not paying it back.

Remiel Pollard wrote:
Citation needed. What evidence exactly do you have on me to prove that I have no intention of paying just by virtue of being skeptical about using a third party? All you have is circumstance and paranoia.

Anyone with billions of isk should understand a third party requirement for any transaction where both sets of goods can't be simultaneously transferred. By claiming not to know, and refusing to partake, you are not serious. Best of luck when you "seriously" want to buy a supercapital or a titan.

Remiel Pollard wrote:
Citation needed. You also have no evidence that I came out from under a bridge.

EDIT: A little lesson about evidence.

A lack of evidence that I intend to pay is not evidence that I don't intend to pay.

Keep that in mind before you make your next rebuttal, because I quite happily acknowledge that I haven't provided any evidence that I intend to pay. Likewise, the OP has provided no evidence that (s)he intends to pass any proceeds on to the intended recipient.

9 times out of 10, people that refuse to use a 3rd party are scammers or trolls. Since you have nothing to gain but a warm fuzzy feeling, it's unlikely you are a scammer, thus you must be a troll.
Should you use a 3rd party, all of that is resolved. If you don't pay, Ziona doesn't make the vid, if Ziona doesn't make the vid, you get your isk back.

It really doesn't matter what you think the evidence shows. You claim to be serious, but offer nothing to back that up, so it's an empty claim.

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Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#45 - 2013-09-03 13:18:10 UTC
Yes, let's donate money to a guy who was happy to rob his own corp's assets for a chance to get a few billion from Erotica1.

Forgive me for not feeling very sorry for this particular "victim", in that particular circumstance. Good luck in your enterprise, though.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
#46 - 2013-09-03 13:18:10 UTC
I believe we should start a collection for the singing video. Please forward any donations to me, so I can deposite them with Chribba.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-09-03 13:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Lucas Kell wrote:

Ask anyone that knows the game if Chribba is trustworthy, hell, ask CCP. The chances of you drunkenly spending your isk, or having someone access your account is higher than the risk of Chribba not paying it back.


The day I start basing what I do around hearsay and anecdote is the day I lose my mind.

Quote:
Anyone with billions of isk should understand a third party requirement for any transaction where both sets of goods can't be simultaneously transferred. By claiming not to know, and refusing to partake, you are not serious. Best of luck when you "seriously" want to buy a supercapital or a titan.


Please link the part where I stated I didn't understand and the part where I claimed to not know. Simply by refusing to use a third party is not evidence that I'm not serious, it is evidence that I refuse to use a third party. You're jumping to conclusions. What about the whole evidence thing did you not understand? Additionally, supercaps and titans don't interest me

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9 times out of 10, people that refuse to use a 3rd party are scammers or trolls. Since you have nothing to gain but a warm fuzzy feeling, it's unlikely you are a scammer, thus you must be a troll.


You said 9 out of 10, so by stating that I'm either a scammer or a troll you exclude me from the 1/10. You just planted yourself face first into your own false dichotomy.

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Should you use a 3rd party, all of that is resolved. If you don't pay, Ziona doesn't make the vid, if Ziona doesn't make the vid, you get your isk back.

It really doesn't matter what you think the evidence shows. You claim to be serious, but offer nothing to back that up, so it's an empty claim.


I never claimed to be serious, but neither did the OP. Nor did the OP establish a guaranteed method (ie a 'third party') for funds transfer for the intended recipient, so submitting to a third party to guarantee my claim is no guarantee to me that the money will reach the intended recipient, the supposedly "bullied" party. I would think that if the OP would be so quick as to jump on a third party to ensure his or her gains, then OP would be just as quick to apply that third party to this supposed charity.

Again, though, link the part where I claimed to be serious. You claimed I'm not serious without providing evidence to support your claim., but I never made the claim you are claiming I claimed. Tongue tied yet? I am. Anyway, I'm merely pointing out that you can't use a lack of evidence of a positive to suggest evidence of the negative. You are completely missing this concept and your grasp on the burden of proof is sorely lacking.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#48 - 2013-09-03 13:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Please link the part where I stated I didn't understand and the part where I claimed to not know. Simply by refusing to use a third party is not evidence that I'm not serious, it is evidence that I refuse to use a third party. You're jumping to conclusions. What about the whole evidence thing did you not understand? Additionally, supercaps and titans don't interest me

I'm pretty sure it was the part where you disputed the claim that Chribba is trustworthy. This shows you know nothing about third party transactions.

Remiel Pollard wrote:
You said 9 out of 10, so by stating that I'm either a scammer or a troll you exclude me from the 1/10. You just planted yourself face first into your own false dichotomy.

Nope, you're definitely not in the 1/10, that's a fact. Besides, I can smell a troll.

Remiel Pollard wrote:
I never claimed to be serious, but neither did the OP.

Yes you did:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I like Major's idea. Tell you what, Ziona. Post a video of yourself singing Paparazzi by Lady Gaga on YouTube and I'll give you the full 7 billion. Seriously, if you want my money, you've got to work for it.


Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nor did the OP establish a guaranteed method (ie a 'third party') for funds transfer for the intended recipient, so submitting to a third party to guarantee my claim is no guarantee to me that the money will reach the intended recipient, the supposedly "bullied" party. I would think that if the OP would be so quick as to jump on a third party to ensure his or her gains, then OP would be just as quick to apply that third party to this supposed charity.

Again, though, link the part where I claimed to be serious. You claimed I'm not serious without providing evidence to support your claim., but I never made the claim you are claiming I claimed. Tongue tied yet? I am. Anyway, I'm merely pointing out that you can't use a lack of evidence of a positive to suggest evidence of the negative. You are completely missing this concept and your grasp on the burden of proof is sorely lacking.

And you also only said you'd give Ziona 7 billion. You didn't specify it was to go to the victim, neither did you question where it would go.
No, I'm not tongue tied as I already pointed out the flaw in your argument prior to reading that part (I read while I post to save time).
Again though, the burden of proof that you are serious lies with you. I need no proof as I am merely station you are not serious, and thus a troll, which the lack of action on your part towards fulfilling your end of the deal shows in itself.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-09-03 13:44:42 UTC
everyone who wastes money gambling it (and other people's) away deserves more

did you see how abusive the guy became in local when he was ganked
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#50 - 2013-09-03 13:50:44 UTC
So many people getting willingly trolled by Remiel Pollard.

Good job, Remiel. More emergent gameplay is good business.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-09-03 13:51:11 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

I'm pretty sure it was the part where you disputed the claim that Chribba is trustworthy. This shows you know nothing about third party transactions.


Did I? Did I really? Or did I say I don't use third parties? Which one was it? Here's another one you need to link, that part where I expressly state that Chribba is untrustworthy. This makes claim number 4 I believe of something I've done that I haven't done.

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Nope, you're definitely not in the 1/10, that's a fact. Besides, I can smell a troll.


Citation needed or it's a false dichotomy. Stating "that's a fact" is a claim of a fact, not the evidence of a fact.

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Remiel Pollard wrote:
I never claimed to be serious, but neither did the OP.

Yes you did:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I like Major's idea. Tell you what, Ziona. Post a video of yourself singing Paparazzi by Lady Gaga on YouTube and I'll give you the full 7 billion. Seriously, if you want my money, you've got to work for it.


Oh, you thought this was me claiming to be serious about paying? No, this was making the point that I don't do charity. Work for your money, then get paid. Pay attention to the structure and positioning of the words. I'll rewrite it for you, just to make it more clear for your mind to handle.
"If you want my money, you have to earn it"

Using the word 'seriously' to start the sentence is for emphasis. Either way, though, you still haven't proven that I'm not serious, so we're back to the part where even if I haven't proven that I am, that lack of evidence is not evidence that I am not serious. Are we getting it yet?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-09-03 13:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Quote:

And you also only said you'd give Ziona 7 billion. You didn't specify it was to go to the victim, neither did you question where it would go.
No, I'm not tongue tied as I already pointed out the flaw in your argument prior to reading that part (I read while I post to save time).
Again though, the burden of proof that you are serious lies with you. I need no proof as I am merely station you are not serious, and thus a troll, which the lack of action on your part towards fulfilling your end of the deal shows in itself.



First of all, you can't point out a flawed argument with flawed arguments of your own. I know no one likes to be out smarted, but you have been, because you've done nothing but make unqualified claims of things I've done that I just haven't done. Secondly, even if I have claimed to be serious without evidence, that lack of evidence is not evidence that I am not serious, and you have not provided any. As I've stated, I'm not taking any action until I've seen the video, so you cannot qualify a lack of action as evidence of me being not serious because that lack of action is part of the terms. Whether I'm serious or not is beside the point, really, and the only definitive evidence one way or the other would only be available should such a video be made. THEN and only then would my lack of action be evidence of me not being serious. Still, no evidence of me being a troll, no evidence of me being a scammer, and no evidence of me being in the 1/10 either.

Do you know what we call this where I'm from? Ambiguity. When there's no evidence to point to any conclusion, any claim made regarding a conclusion is ambiguous at best. So the burden of proof is still on you to support your claims about me.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#53 - 2013-09-03 13:56:59 UTC
When i need isk, i ask erotica 1 to double my isk. She's legit and everyone in Eve can trust her. How do you think Pandemic Legion can pay for all their titans? Yup, erotica 1.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-09-03 14:00:55 UTC
Bottom line is, I don't care if the OP makes the video or not. On one hand, I get an entertaining video out of it for the EVE community to enjoy and I'm out 7, possibly 14 billion isk, and on the other, I keep my money and continue to grow my savings. Doesn't matter where it goes, but I find it ironic that you're trying to defend the OP's demands for a third party transfer when the OP has made no such offer of a third party for the little charity (s)he is setting up. At this point, I believe the OP is trolling, and has been from the beginning of the previous thread which has since been locked as well, although me believing it is not evidence of the fact, but regardless of how my deal could be construed, be it a scam, a troll or otherwise, the same could be said for the OP's with no evidence thus far to suggest one way or the other. Perhaps you should pay a little more attention to how much money the OP is asking for and what guarantees the OP is offering that it will get to its recipient. You're so quick to jump on me for being a troll or a scammer.... is this just a personal problem you have with me or were you going to address the OP's equivalent ambiguity as well?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#55 - 2013-09-03 14:05:05 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Did I? Did I really? Or did I say I don't use third parties? Which one was it? Here's another one you need to link, that part where I expressly state that Chribba is untrustworthy. This makes claim number 4 I believe of something I've done that I haven't done.

Here:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
As a rule, I don't do middlemen, and I don't trust anyone that doesn't earn my trust. If you have a problem with that, then that is your problem, not mine.
He hasn't "earned your trust" thus to you is untrustworthy.

Remiel Pollard wrote:
Citation needed or it's a false dichotomy. Stating "that's a fact" is a claim of a fact, not the evidence of a fact.
It is a fact, I can smell trolls. You smell like troll. You can't dispute my natural talent, that's talentism.

Quote:
Oh, you thought this was me claiming to be serious about paying? No, this was making the point that I don't do charity. Work for your money, then get paid. Pay attention to the structure and positioning of the words. I'll rewrite it for you, just to make it more clear for your mind to handle.
"If you want my money, you have to earn it"
Oh I do pay attention. Se you stated something that could be misinterpreted as a joke, so you then followed it with the sentence "Seriously, if you want my money, you've got to work for it." which removes the ambiguity from the first sentence.

Remiel Pollard wrote:
Either way, though, you still haven't proven that I'm not serious, so we're back to the part where even if I haven't proven that I am, that lack of evidence is not evidence that I am not serious. Are we getting it yet?
Again though, I don't need to prove you are not serious. Failure to act proves it well enough.

That's like:
I'm actually wearing a coat of gold and being held aloft by 15 fair maidens as I am royalty. I don't need to prove it, the burden of proof is on you to disprove it. If you can't disprove it then it must be true.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#56 - 2013-09-03 14:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Bottom line is, I don't care if the OP makes the video or not. On one hand, I get an entertaining video out of it for the EVE community to enjoy and I'm out 7, possibly 14 billion isk, and on the other, I keep my money and continue to grow my savings. Doesn't matter where it goes, but I find it ironic that you're trying to defend the OP's demands for a third party transfer when the OP has made no such offer of a third party for the little charity (s)he is setting up. At this point, I believe the OP is trolling, and has been from the beginning of the previous thread which has since been locked as well, although me believing it is not evidence of the fact, but regardless of how my deal could be construed, be it a scam, a troll or otherwise, the same could be said for the OP's with no evidence thus far to suggest one way or the other. Perhaps you should pay a little more attention to how much money the OP is asking for and what guarantees the OP is offering that it will get to its recipient. You're so quick to jump on me for being a troll or a scammer.... is this just a personal problem you have with me or were you going to address the OP's equivalent ambiguity as well?

Of course the OP is trolling, that's a given, but you didn't specifically state your isk would go to the victim, only that you would give the OP 7 bil for the video. Any idiot can tell that a video for isk transaction would require a third party to ensure a fair trade for both sides. Refusal to accept such a clause shows that you either:
1. Want to get the video out of the op for free
2. Are trolling.

Since 1 isn't really a scam as you gain no value from it, it merges with 2, leading me to believe, along with my marvelous talent for smelling them, that you are indeed a troll. As you are running out of paragraphs and punctuation, it seems you are retreating back to your bridge.

Victory is mine! Don't trip on the ribbon on your way out, but feel free to grab a small slice of cake. I'd like to thank all of the EVE community for supporting my ability to smell stuff, I'd like to thank CCP for giving me this platform to boost my feeling of self worth. I'd also like to thank the OP for providing the opportunity to work on my troll smelling abilities and of course I'd like to thank the victim of the original scam for providing the opportunity for the OP to provide me this opportunity.

EDIT: Oh and yes, it's you. I couldn't care less about the OP's scam.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#57 - 2013-09-03 14:16:29 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
The thread was locked and I'd prefer that the act was not discussed in this thread however I'm going to donate 1 billion isk to this guy.

Why? Because I think not all EvE players are like that, or even most EvE players are like that and even though I personally will lock down a newb, blow his ship up and pod him if I have the opportunity, its more just an impersonal thing and part of the game.

If you want to donate some isk to the guy do so and post what you donated here. Hopefully we can get up to 7 billion like he was promised.

Thank you.


So you are going to reinforce ignorance in the same way real life Welfare Checks do?

Brilliant. You'd do much better teaching new people the ropes o fEVE online and encouraging the guy who got scammed to either smarten up or get singing lessons.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-09-03 14:20:52 UTC
Why not just post the name of the guy in question and have everyone donate directly to him?

Seems to be the most logical thing to do, no?

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#59 - 2013-09-03 14:24:45 UTC
while I think that publishing his humiliation was a bit over the top, I nonetheless don't see that his stupidity should be rewarded.
the guy's not missing 7 billion, but a sense of dignity.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-09-03 14:27:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
The thread was locked and I'd prefer that the act was not discussed in this thread however I'm going to donate 1 billion isk to this guy.

Why? Because I think not all EvE players are like that, or even most EvE players are like that and even though I personally will lock down a newb, blow his ship up and pod him if I have the opportunity, its more just an impersonal thing and part of the game.

If you want to donate some isk to the guy do so and post what you donated here. Hopefully we can get up to 7 billion like he was promised.

Thank you.


So you are going to reinforce ignorance in the same way real life Welfare Checks do?

Brilliant. You'd do much better teaching new people the ropes o fEVE online and encouraging the guy who got scammed to either smarten up or get singing lessons.


Well the thing about welfare is that it prevents crime or disuades people from resorting to crime. It also increases consumer spending which in turn keeps businesses in business so they can keep more people from going unemployed. It also frees up jobs for people who actually want to work and those are in short supply even at the minimum wage.

I'm not sure how that applies to this guy though.

Maybe if we donate money to him it will prevent him from becoming an online douche canoe. I know that occupation has too many people in it.

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