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Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking

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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2011-11-14 01:28:46 UTC
Written Word wrote:
Why can't any of the crybabies in the thread do any of their own ganking?

I mean, it should be like, really easy right?


^ This, because, afterall, if a one man alt corp brought EUNI to it's knees...

Though, I'm not really bothered by anyone wanting to reward anyone else with ganking others alongside.
Sealy
The Huskarl's
#62 - 2011-11-14 01:32:01 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Aren Dar wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

We're getting worked up that the sandpark owner keeps giving one group of people more and more sand, and everytime the other group works out a way of getting in on this the sandpark owner goes "OH NO! POOR PRECIOUS BABIES! DEFENCELESS BABIES!" and puts up more walls between them and us.


.. and which walls would those be? The war-deccing mechanic was hardly new.

If you want to complain about more sand go after the sovereignty mechanisms.


- Wardec exploits now legal, making a POS invulnerable in highsec
- Insurance being removed for suicide gankers
- Aggro mechanics changes to benefit Incursion runners (which broke part of FW, but stayed)
- Aggro mechanics changes to benefit Incursion runners take 2
- Sanctums nerf
- Incursions making more ISK/hr than ever before possible in highsec
- Orca swapping / baiting nerfed

... and so on, and so forth.



1. The War dec Exploits will get fixed in the future.
2. Insurance being removed - well Insurance fraud for destroying a ship which is worth more destroyed than built is not a problem???

Ok so this is the fault of EVE Uni? mmm lets get real... eve uni have 2000 members now lets look at this..


Time zones
EU 40%
Americas 50%
Pacific. 10%

Now teachers
EU 30%
Americas 60%
Pacific 10%

Active people at any one moment in the game 30 - 150 People.

now lets look at the killboards
Between 5 - 30 Kills per day.. so i dont think this is really a non training corp..

For one as a Former CEO i would rather my Noobs go to EVE UNI to learn the basics then come to us. they teach everything you need to know to get by.

So please tell me How EVE UNI is killing EVE ONLINE ?

Personally i belive what is killing EVE ONline is the lack of things to do for high experiance point characters like me and other older players.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#63 - 2011-11-14 01:42:51 UTC
el alasar wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
There is plenty of people in each of the four categories who do not want to be killed. The question is, should they be exposed anyway, even if they want to have no part of it?

sorry, what do you mean? how do you think it should be?

I mean that there's a lot of people in null/low/wormholes who would also love to see non-consensual pvp removed. I think it should not be removed anywhere, including high-sec.

el alasar wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
A resounding "yes" on the first point. Not much a single person or a small gang/corporation can do nowadays what with the tendency to get a single T1 cruiser hot-dropped by two dozen supercaps. An exception can be made for wormholes, but wormholes are limited in the amount of residents/visitiors they have to be a true pvp environment.

uhm... what do you suggest? ideas? i havent really thought about that yet...
concord in lowsec? no supercaps in low? both sound very undesirable?

There's been many good ideas proposed. Don't get me wrong, but I don't want to turn this thread into a feature request discussion. Go check the proper forum section for some of these ideas.

el alasar wrote:
still, even with fitted buffers, i honestly feel ganking is too easily done - with too few isk invested (even if insurance payout was removed). look at how easily and often freighters are taken down, and ganking some pve BS is just scary easy to do. if a freighter having a break-even of about 1 bil at around 170k EHP, what are you "allowed" to fit on a pve-fit BS having around 60-140k EHP??? sure, you could say "dont fit those mods" and "prices are just market driven"...

Maybe people shouldn't haul more than the ganking break-even point in one trip? Why should the lazy be coddled? I'm not going to say "don't fit those mods," but I am going to say that if you want the reward of faster ISK gain by using more powerful gear on your mission boat, being exposed to extra risk from ganks is a fair trade-off. How many T2-fit Ravens do you see ganked? Now compare that to the amount of deadspace-fit Tengus.

Honestly, I don't see the issue with ganking. If you don't want your hauler to be ganked, don't carry enough stuff in a single load to make it profitable for the gankers to gank it and/or don't use autopilot. If you don't want your mission boat to be ganked, don't fit enough expensive gear to make it profitable for the gankers to gank it and/or mission in more secluded areas. If you don't want your barge to be ganked, trade some mining capacity for a buffer. Now, for that very last one, I wouldn't be against boosting barge power grid so that miners have the option of using an 800mm plate or something. Maybe add a low slot as well.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#64 - 2011-11-14 02:34:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Juicy Chanlin
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
So if you don't give your opponent a fighting chance, how could you claim to have skills if you're only engaging in 1 sided battles.

Ganking requires skill and coordination.

Guide to Highsec Ganking

You seriously need to get a clue about this game. You are sadly making assumptions based on your own personal prejudices.



OK.. So you seriously think this requires skill.

get a brutix, fit it with the biggest guns you can find, add as much damage mods as you can fit. warp in on the mining hulk. lock up. activate all mods. sit and wait for it to go poof then concord to come poof you.

(When I say skill. I am not refering to SP points.. I mean as in skill in playing the game)
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#65 - 2011-11-14 03:01:48 UTC
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
So if you don't give your opponent a fighting chance, how could you claim to have skills if you're only engaging in 1 sided battles.

Ganking requires skill and coordination.

Guide to Highsec Ganking

You seriously need to get a clue about this game. You are sadly making assumptions based on your own personal prejudices.



OK.. So you seriously think this requires skill.

get a brutix, fit it with the biggest guns you can find, add as much damage mods as you can fit. warp in on the mining hulk. lock up. activate all mods. sit and wait for it to go poof then concord to come poof you.

(When I say skill. I am not refering to SP points.. I mean as in skill in playing the game)

Okay, so you seriously think mining requires skill?

Get a barge. Fit it with the best mining lasers you can find. Add as many mining mods as you can fit. Warp in on the asteroid in the belt. Lock up the asteroid. Activate all mods. Sit and wait for it to go poof, then someone to buy the ore/minerals.

(When I say skill, I'm not referring to skill points; I mean as in skill in playing the game.)

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Regria Madeveda
Doomheim
#66 - 2011-11-14 05:20:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Regria Madeveda
Wylee Coyote wrote:
^ This, because, afterall, if a one man alt corp brought EUNI to it's knees...

When did a single guy oh so ever manage to bring EUNI down to it's knees?
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2011-11-14 06:07:10 UTC
Regria Madeveda wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:
^ This, because, afterall, if a one man alt corp brought EUNI to it's knees...

When did a single guy oh so ever manage to bring EUNI down to it's knees?

He forced the Uni CEO to start posting fake killmails to his own killboard to skew the results, as well as remove the campaign itself due to the embarrassment.
thrulinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2011-11-14 14:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: thrulinn
Poetic Stanziel wrote:


You seriously need to get a clue about this game. You are sadly making assumptions based on your own personal prejudices.



Except this is why every change happens. Dose not matter what is about, every one see's this differently. In my opinion killing miners/mission runners is not ganking them but griefing them. My opinion, not everyone's.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#69 - 2011-11-14 14:46:41 UTC
thrulinn wrote:
Except this is why every change happens. Dose not matter what is about, every one see's this differently. In my opinion killing miners/mission runners is not ganking them but griefing them. My opinion, not everyone's.

To be perfectly fair, when an opinion conflicts with a definition set by the authority, it ceases to become valid. Your opinion stands in stark contrast with CCP's definition of griefing, and with CCP's classification of involuntary ship losses. You're welcome to your opinion, of course. Though it's no more different in nature than having the opinion that "there" and "their" is essentially the same thing.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#70 - 2011-11-14 15:34:04 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Regria Madeveda wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:
^ This, because, afterall, if a one man alt corp brought EUNI to it's knees...

When did a single guy oh so ever manage to bring EUNI down to it's knees?

He forced the Uni CEO to start posting fake killmails to his own killboard to skew the results, as well as remove the campaign itself due to the embarrassment.



With all the attention you give to Euni.. Do you even have time to play the game anymore? Or is your hard on so bad that your entire game existence is based on whinning and moaning about the Uni? Does being kicked out from there hurt you so bad?
thrulinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2011-11-14 15:34:29 UTC  |  Edited by: thrulinn
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
thrulinn wrote:
Except this is why every change happens. Dose not matter what is about, every one see's this differently. In my opinion killing miners/mission runners is not ganking them but griefing them. My opinion, not everyone's.

To be perfectly fair, when an opinion conflicts with a definition set by the authority, it ceases to become valid. Your opinion stands in stark contrast with CCP's definition of griefing, and with CCP's classification of involuntary ship losses. You're welcome to your opinion, of course. Though it's no more different in nature than having the opinion that "there" and "their" is essentially the same thing.


No opinion is invalid. It dose not matter who set the definition, as it can and sometimes dose change over time if enough people disagree with it. The player base is not the same as it was when this game started, or even a few years ago.
This is how/why changes happen.
I am not saying every change has been good, some are, some are not. Some should have happened years ago.
CCP is listening to every opinion, and so are those that make/post in thread's like this. Even you are listening to another's opinion.
They may not take every one seriously or try to dismiss them off, but they are being listened to.
Again changes start from an opinion.
Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#72 - 2011-11-14 15:35:10 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
/quote]
Okay, so you seriously think mining requires skill?

Get a barge. Fit it with the best mining lasers you can find. Add as many mining mods as you can fit. Warp in on the asteroid in the belt. Lock up the asteroid. Activate all mods. Sit and wait for it to go poof, then someone to buy the ore/minerals.

(When I say skill, I'm not referring to skill points; I mean as in skill in playing the game.)



I never said it did.. I was replying to Poetics statement that it required skill and co-ordination. So your troll there is fail.
Kali Fin
White SANDS SPACE
#73 - 2011-11-14 16:22:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kali Fin
So, I'll support Ship toasters movement.

I'll be supplying Tier 3 battle cruisers once the BPOs hit the market, for a price of course but at a lower rate and completely fitted w/ a small amount of faction ammo for your ganking pleasure.

ALPHA TORNADO! AWAY!

Oh, and also Talos blaster facerape.

I have schemed too long to be supplanted by dead gods. If I cannot have this world, no one can.

Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Doomheim
#74 - 2011-11-14 17:16:41 UTC
I used to send new players to E Uni. Not anymore.
Xolani1990
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2011-11-14 23:40:12 UTC
It seems like this mass epidemic of rectal aneurysm caused by E-UNI's internal decisions and policies requires a dose of common sense as a treatment.

E-UNI is a carebear organisation dedicated to farming L4s and asteroid belts - Wrong - E-UNI has its own PVP division which is dedicated to providing training in PVP to anyone who wants it. 6 months or so ago E-UNI's policy on NPC nullsec was changed from NRDS to NBSI to encourage people to get nullsec experience while in E-UNI. Many of the founding members of my own corporation took advantage of that new policy quite a bit and developed a desire to move to nullsec full time and have fun - hence the inception of Ponywaffe.

E-UNI manipulates killboards to make themselves look better - So what - If you really look at obviously manipulated killmails which exist for the express purpose of the amusement of the CEO, and take them super super seriously, so what? It's not his problem. I mean really, is the water that contaminated around here that people really care that much about killboards and think this game is about killboard stats, and manipulation of them is tantamount to EVE Watergate or something? Wow.

E-UNI doesn't provide training in real PVP, it just blobs - Wrong - E-UNI's PVP training is only as good as what people volunteer to help provide, and is directly attributable to the encouragement people experience to just step up and take a fleet out. War targets to E-UNI tend not to provide good fights when the war is declared unilaterally by a 20 man corp or whatever. New FCs are still intimated by nullsec and afraid to roam it (which becomes a vicious circle because they never step up to do it), meaning lowsec fleets basically just stumble into a pirate or two and gank them. E-UNI's PVP training certainly isn't perfect by any means, but it'd be a lot better with people making an effort to assist than making bitter comments about the corp. E-UNI has a teacher induction program if you want to help out, and the current state of the leadership seems, to me, to be more open now to improving the state of PVP training within the corp and presenting new opportunities to its members.

I can certainly say, as a director of a nullsec corp, that the opportunities given to me to learn about the game by the policy change to NBSI in nullsec was very positive and helpful, and I think most if not all of our members who have come to us through E-UNI would say the same thing.

TL;DR, OP and other whiners are wrong and should look into the available routes to helping the corporation improve its training instead of being whiney and not really doing anything to help.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2011-11-14 23:58:18 UTC
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Regria Madeveda wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:
^ This, because, afterall, if a one man alt corp brought EUNI to it's knees...

When did a single guy oh so ever manage to bring EUNI down to it's knees?

He forced the Uni CEO to start posting fake killmails to his own killboard to skew the results, as well as remove the campaign itself due to the embarrassment.

With all the attention you give to Euni.. Do you even have time to play the game anymore? Or is your hard on so bad that your entire game existence is based on whinning and moaning about the Uni? Does being kicked out from there hurt you so bad?

I'm sorry if I made you look stupid earlier in the thread, such that you had to resort to this tired attack.
Malice Asaekkiga
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2011-11-15 00:26:07 UTC
Poetic Stanziel is criticizing someone for making tired attacks. You heard that right folks.
Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#78 - 2011-11-15 01:32:40 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Regria Madeveda wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:
^ This, because, afterall, if a one man alt corp brought EUNI to it's knees...

When did a single guy oh so ever manage to bring EUNI down to it's knees?

He forced the Uni CEO to start posting fake killmails to his own killboard to skew the results, as well as remove the campaign itself due to the embarrassment.

With all the attention you give to Euni.. Do you even have time to play the game anymore? Or is your hard on so bad that your entire game existence is based on whinning and moaning about the Uni? Does being kicked out from there hurt you so bad?

I'm sorry if I made you look stupid earlier in the thread, such that you had to resort to this tired attack.



you mad bro??
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#79 - 2011-11-15 02:46:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Xolani1990 wrote:
It seems like this mass epidemic of rectal aneurysm caused by E-UNI's internal decisions and policies requires a dose of common sense as a treatment.

E-UNI is a carebear organisation dedicated to farming L4s and asteroid belts - Wrong - E-UNI has its own PVP division which is dedicated to providing training in PVP to anyone who wants it. 6 months or so ago E-UNI's policy on NPC nullsec was changed from NRDS to NBSI to encourage people to get nullsec experience while in E-UNI. Many of the founding members of my own corporation took advantage of that new policy quite a bit and developed a desire to move to nullsec full time and have fun - hence the inception of Ponywaffe.

E-UNI manipulates killboards to make themselves look better - So what - If you really look at obviously manipulated killmails which exist for the express purpose of the amusement of the CEO, and take them super super seriously, so what? It's not his problem. I mean really, is the water that contaminated around here that people really care that much about killboards and think this game is about killboard stats, and manipulation of them is tantamount to EVE Watergate or something? Wow.

E-UNI doesn't provide training in real PVP, it just blobs - Wrong - E-UNI's PVP training is only as good as what people volunteer to help provide, and is directly attributable to the encouragement people experience to just step up and take a fleet out. War targets to E-UNI tend not to provide good fights when the war is declared unilaterally by a 20 man corp or whatever. New FCs are still intimated by nullsec and afraid to roam it (which becomes a vicious circle because they never step up to do it), meaning lowsec fleets basically just stumble into a pirate or two and gank them. E-UNI's PVP training certainly isn't perfect by any means, but it'd be a lot better with people making an effort to assist than making bitter comments about the corp. E-UNI has a teacher induction program if you want to help out, and the current state of the leadership seems, to me, to be more open now to improving the state of PVP training within the corp and presenting new opportunities to its members.

I can certainly say, as a director of a nullsec corp, that the opportunities given to me to learn about the game by the policy change to NBSI in nullsec was very positive and helpful, and I think most if not all of our members who have come to us through E-UNI would say the same thing.

TL;DR, OP and other whiners are wrong and should look into the available routes to helping the corporation improve its training instead of being whiney and not really doing anything to help.

Poetic Stanziel wrote:
I can't answer the PVP'r directly above me, so I'll ignore it, and hope it goes away.....

FYP.

Go ahead, tell the guy he doesn't know what he's talking about...

Xolani - Don't try to talk sense to the Pathetic Stammerer.... We're all just E-Uni graduate care bears.....


Roll

Edit to add: He mad!

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Xolani1990
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2011-11-15 03:07:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolani1990
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

Poetic Stanziel wrote:
I can't answer the PVP'r directly above me, so I'll ignore it, and hope it goes away.....

FYP.

Go ahead, tell the guy he doesn't know what he's talking about...

Xolani - Don't try to talk sense to the Pathetic Stammerer.... We're all just E-Uni graduate care bears.....


I wasn't the only one who noticed that then.

Edit: ADHC, another corp active in PVP that started from e-uni.