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Navy Domi's fare no better

edit oh ROFL @ the Rokh dying to an Itty 5

Either you're psychic and can read his mind, or you're simply projecting what you want to "hear" into your interpretation of the original post. The simplest solution is that he meant exactly what he wrote when he posted it. If I wanted to say I thought something was unfair, I'd just say that. Given that he admitted he was posting on an Alt why would he not just post exactly what he was trying to say in the first place?

The OP's dilemma assumes that he is successfully suicide-ganked in the first place. I think that's where the main problem lies in this whole matter.

If your mining barge doesn't have any tank whatsoever, then you're an extremely juicy target for suicide gankers. If your mining barge is tanked out, you'll still be a juicy target, but you'll most likely survive the attempt on your life unless they use quite a large force to attack you. If you prevent yourself from dying to suicide gankers in the first place, you don't even have to worry about this whole retaliation/retribution business.

The reason why people abuse the ganking-alt mechanics is because they know for a fact that they'll be able to get quite a few kills and get away with it, because 75% of all highsec miners think that they're immortal and fit their mining barges for optimal yield, not optimal tank. If mining barges had tankier fits more often, then suicide ganking would not be nearly as much of a profitable venture as it is today.

High security space != Completely secure space

Well in their defense it's not really possible to fight after ganks. Gankers pick up a criminal flag, so they can't undock in a ship without it getting Concorded. So there is no way for the miner and his corp to immediately respond. Once the timer ends, they could conceivably trigger the kill right and attack. But in my experience, I haven't seen many gankers stick around in system after a gank. Gankers hit, the scout loots, gankers vanish, and all that is left is the sobbing tears of the miner (once they get back to keyboard). Seriously, what are the victims gonna do to fight? Wardec the gankers? Realistically that's not gonna happen.

Even the kill rights thing later on isn't really gonna work. It's not like the gankers are gonna be cruising around in hi-sec in freighters or faction BSs. In hi-sec they are gonna be in Catalysts and Thrashers (and who cares if one of those die). Outside of hi-sec the kill rights don't matter and it's just a normal brawl.

Most organised ganking outfits live in lowsec (Fweddit, shadow cartel who you are quoting) or nullsec (CFC's Miniluv, Brick Squad, others) so you don't even need the magic of wardecs to go exact penance. There are buttmad people in Deklein literally every day doing just that, for their own reasons.

I am new to the game and I hate PvP... especially ganking.

how about this for a system of discouraging noob ganking in High sec?

One (1) person has kill rights against you...
Any character in your account is removed from the biomass process. You may NOT terminate a character in this account. This character is ALSO maked as a criminal until the kill rights expire

Two (2) people have kill rights against you...
this character may NOT use any stargate which goes to a high sec system (even if you're already in a high sec system, which would mean you're stuck where you are)

Three (3) people have kill rights against you...
this character may NOT dock at any NPC owned station in a high sec system. Concord will fire on you immediately if you approach a stargate or station it protects in High sec

Four (4) people have kill rights against you...
This character may NOT use a stargate which goes to a high sec or a low sec system

Five (5) people have kill rights against you...
This character may NOT dock at a NPC owned station in a High Sec or a Low Sec system.

With such a system in place, I figure the PvP action will gravitate to where it belongs... away from new players in High Sec.

I'd only support that sort of system if there were ways to get around it. Namely, if CONCORD weren't invincible and impossible to escape (which I wish were the case anyway), and if NPC stations could be bribed into allowing docking, and if stargates could be hacked or something, then a penalty of CONCORD always shooting and NPC stations and gates being "off limits" might work.

That is to say, make the penalties a pain but not absolutely game-breaking. Gankers deserve to have their fun too.

As for the throwaway alt bit, I'm really not sure there is a good way to combat that unless in-game penalties are applied account-wide, but with the importance of spying in EVE, that doesn't seem like an acceptable solution either, ease of maintaining several accounts notwithstanding.

This would only encourage alts. Why would anyone gank on their main if it got locked in a ****** highsec system for 30 days? Station lockouts are trivial to get around using a POS (powered by another alt, of course!)

Confirming that there are no characters like ABrakadabra21 or Insta Podkiller or qqq111 or durka Gaterau or trololo Arji

Honestly, recycling characters is kind of wasteful though. I mean, look at Insta Podkiller - he was graduated from a lowly rookie suicider to a full blown catalyst suicider.

If you have evidence of people recycling alts then report them and get them banned.