Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The stacking argument exists to put an upper bound on the growth of rep strength on a single target relative to the growth rate of applicable DPS on a target.

Under current calculations, 1 logi will generally lock out more than one ship's worth of damage on a target. In the case of abaddons you are locking out as many as 6 -7 similar class (numbers go higher than this) ships worth of damage. Under a stack nerf, you would expect that ratio to even out with scale.

Honestly, given how low alpha most non-artillery weapons are, you can't rely on it alone to chew through targets on a sub-100 person scale. If people split off and segregate their reps to take full advantage, that is a good thing, as it doesn't make an individual target un-killable. Larger groups still maintain their advantage as they can then segregate their target calling and call two primaries for a smaller fleet's one. The key break from the current scenario is that **** actually explodes.

Sidenote: probably want to make this only apply to ships subject to the 15 minute logoff timer aggro, as there is no need to stack-nerf repping structures outside of a fight.

I'm presuming the board updated since you looked at it...

Its a battle that at least partially took place at a tower - which has disengagement implications- its in lowsec which also has implications for the thoroughness of the ability to trap stuff. lots of the defending damage dealt is from the tower against unrepped, pure buffer ships - the damage dealt to them is nothing more than the EHP of the ships.

The shown numbers are 17 vs 24 losses, and those losses are hugely isk weighted in favour of the attackers, especially after insurance. Minus out the tower kills and its getting ugly.

Its an interesting outcome, but your conclusion can't be drawn with all the confounding factors, let alone the factors that can't be picked up from the KB.

I'm okay with that so long as a) a way to coordinate large numbers of ewar ships/targets is implemented (aka, ewar watchlist so ewar pilots can tell who is already being jammed and not waste jammers on them) and/or b) there is a form of ewar implemented that "damps" logistics.

Damps as they exist are useless right now. Range damping logistics when their rep targets are at 5km does nothing. Scan res damping them gives you ~4 seconds more before they lock the rep target, so you MIGHT get a second large arty volley off if they Guardian reaction time is slow. When CCP nerfed damps they nerfed them into oblivion. The Gallente recons at the very least should have useful damping power. They don't.

Jamming works great when you have 1-4 targets to jam. No problems there. When you have 15 logistics to spread ECM across, it's very difficult to coordinate jamming all 15. It's easy for one ship to know which 3+ targets it has jammed, but when you have 5 ECM boats? How do you let the other 4 know what you have jammed without clogging up comms and yelling over primaries? You can't. Not in any sort of timely fashion that a pilot can react to while it matters.

So really, if they were to buff large-scale ECM coordination, that would work great as well. But until they do, you very quickly hit a wall where ECM is nearly impossible to coordinate without overlapping and wasting multiple jammers on the same targets.

It was mentioned for some form of Ewar that reduces resists slightly.

Would be game changing, IMO, and fun Naturally a stacking penalty is in order.

The whole discussion about best counter is irrelevant while the game works the way it does. Noones going to put 50 pilots into EW ships on top of their own logistics to counter a fleet with 20...30 logistics, while it's far more effective to put 10...15 of those EW pilots into logistics to beat (or match) opponents logistics numbers and the rest into DPS boats.

It's as simple as that. Adding more logistics into your fleet is by far the cheapest (head count vise) method of adding performance and staying power.

Not very well in high-sec and low-sec

In 0.0 it might disrupt the repairs for 4...5 seconds (or it could fail miserably). This means that you need a bomber to drop a new bomb like every 5 seconds to keep the pressure up and considering the bomb launcher cycle times, this amounts to a LOT of bombers. So again, the pilots are better spent in more logistics and DPS boats.

Alpha fleet is the end all counter to excess RR. If you alpha the target, your reps don't matter.

from wat i have seen in fleet fights with logi on the field u spread dps to a few targets find a target NOT being repped and alpha said target. this put preasure on logi as they have to spead out thier rr across many ships and they dont have time to rep the prime target. it more or less leads to the fc being smart about pickin targets best to hit. call prime, call second, call thrid fire on target spread dps call prime, target dies, rinse repeat. all depends on the fc really.

but to get back on topic, blobs suck. enough said. happy huntin

Alpha works when you stack enough of it. for the munnin idea above, it works at about 50+ pilots. 1400's work better with painters, to the tune of 30ish.

Under that, you really can comp a falcon per logistics ship... if you can live with the shame of running 10 falcons. :)

HOWEVER, all I'm really posting here for is to throw this link here : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11523718 Count the logi. It's ridiculous, and it's a stale meta.

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