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Eve = Sociopath's Playground

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Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-09-02 17:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Morihei Akachi
There is a difference between exploiting someone's weakness in the game, be it military, financial or psychological, and taking that exploitation to RL to involve someone's family. The latter is inacceptable. I have no understanding or respect for the people who did this. I find it despicable.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#22 - 2013-09-02 17:59:29 UTC
There was no scamming involved. The guy didn't follow Erotica 1's rules which he agreed to at the start and so he wasn't paid.

Oh god.
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-09-02 18:01:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Moneta Curran
Morihei Akachi wrote:
There is a difference between exploiting someone's weakness in the game, be it military, financial or psychological, and taking that exploitation to RL to involve someone's family. The latter is inacceptable. I have no understanding or respect for the people who did this. I find it despicable.


And how exactly did this involve his family on instigation of anyone else but himself?
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#24 - 2013-09-02 18:03:44 UTC
His weakness was greed, this weakness is exploited in many ways in real world with real money, maybe more elegantly, but it is exploited. They made him a favor in some way. Good that is just a game and he was fooled about ISK.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#25 - 2013-09-02 18:06:26 UTC
Complete Tart2 wrote:
Here's a little story I found on miner bumping.

In the seemingly endless and bizarre search for tears in this game, a complete noob at Eve was humiliated and scammed for everything he had by Erotica1 and friends, including members of New Order / Code. This noob was invited to Erotica's 'Bonus Room' on teamspeak with promises of receiving 7bil+ if he handed over all his noob assets, with further conditions of:

- gathering all assets, including as many corp assets as he could lay his hands on and handing them over
- demanding on Teamspeak he sang (in front of his wife and kids that you could hear next to him) either '*****' by Garbage, some brony theme song as well as other idiotic ideas. The noob pleaded with them not to humiliate him by making him sing this in front of his kids.

The eager noob then agreed to read a random page out of wikipedia, with plans to spend his 7 billion winnings on gametime. After 5 minutes of reading out the page he was then scammed out of all his assets.

You need to hear this to for yourself. 45.28 is where it properly starts. https://soundcloud.com/fancy-space-tourist/happy-miner-payout

It's not just the fact he was a noob; it's the way the guy was completely humiliated with attempts by the scammers to humiliate him even more in front of his small children. Never heard anything so sickening in any game. You guys are F'ing idiots and sociopaths.


"noobs" don't have 7 bill.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#26 - 2013-09-02 18:07:43 UTC
And what the hell is with someone who would humiliate himself in front of his kids for some stupid spaceships money? Shocked

Nice sense of priorities there, mate

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#27 - 2013-09-02 18:09:07 UTC
There was one guy who wrote Erotica's name on his chest with peanut butter and took a pic of it and that was disgusting. He won 4 billion isk if I remember correctly.

Oh god.
Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#28 - 2013-09-02 18:09:41 UTC
Greed is good.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#29 - 2013-09-02 18:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Yeah, gotta admit I laughed pretty hard when I read (listened to, really) that one.

But how does my (or anyone else's) enjoyment of this story make this game a "playground for sociopaths"? It's funny, especially considering how far it just kept going by his own admission. No one forced him to do anything, it was like he was paying off credit cards with other credit cards if you ask me, he just kept sinking himself deeper and deeper.

I'd also ask you how the fact that this happened at all makes this a "playground for sociopaths"? I can (and repeatedly have) done pretty much the same thing in WoW, and other games. (I once got a guy to rob his own guild bank to "get his stuff back" )

Heck, Civilization V allows me to make a ceasefire style pact with the Aztec Empire in exchange for all their money, and then betray them on the next turn. Oh, no! Civ games are for sociopaths!

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Complete Tart2
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-09-02 18:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Complete Tart2
Malcanis wrote:

"noobs" don't have 7 bill.

Where does it say he has 7 billion?

Mallak Azaria wrote:
Complete Tart2 wrote:
You guys are F'ing idiots


A grown man sings in front of his wife & kids for computer game pixels, but we're the idiots. Right.

At what point did he actually sing?

Everyone's quick to type a 'lol the guy deserved it' without even reading or listening to any of it
Dave Stark
#31 - 2013-09-02 18:15:35 UTC
erotica 1.
person being scammed.

it's as obvious they deserved it as it's obvious that the sun will rise tomorrow.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#32 - 2013-09-02 18:16:49 UTC
The tears, OP, the tears continue to fuel our sociopathic nature. So all you are doing is perpetuating it.

Thank you. You made me have a giggle.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Baggo Hammers
#33 - 2013-09-02 18:22:11 UTC
Incidentally DSM-5 no longer uses "sociopath." The term has been excised. They are just a brand of Psychopath now.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-09-02 18:22:31 UTC
OP, I'd be very interested in seeing what qualifies you to label anyone a sociopath. No, I really would, because it just so happens I am autistic with severe comorbid depression (it's more of an acute thing), schizophrenia - paranoia type, and numerous sociopathic tendencies. Sounds like a pretty mean cocktail, doesn't it? Sounds like I should be murdering and torturing small animals, doesn't it?

Yet, I don't. Seriously though, those are only the tip of the iceberg. The range of tests I went through suggest possible other complications as well, but none of them are quite as scary sounding as the above. And yet, I'm not a criminal, I'm not deranged. I am, in fact, most of the time, quite clear headed and able to make sound judgement calls. See, a sociopath with a solid social support network and the kinda friends who don't turn their back just because I get a little difficult to deal with is the kinda sociopath who appears 'normal', but honestly, all sociopaths appear perfectly 'normal' because they're the only people in the world capable of faking it almost perfectly in order to fit in.

And this is why it frequently amuses me when someone refers to someone else's behaviour as 'sociopathic' or whatnot just because it's behaviour they themselves find despicable. Well, I'm sorry, but being a sociopathic doesn't automatically make one morally despicable, and your interpretation of morality is fairly subjective, especially if you're going to apply it to behaviour on a video game. It does, in fact, strongly suggest a degree of projection, though projection of what I am not qualified to say.

Here's a cute little fact for you. A sociopath is less likely to engage in 'morally questionable' behaviour than someone who is perfectly 'normal', but acting on emotions, say for example a crime of passion.

Nobody made this guy do anything. He wasn't under duress, he wasn't bound by orders or the law, he chose all by himself to humour those that would make demands of him. Whether they're sociopaths or not is beside the point. Have you ever watched Funniest Home Videos? It's human nature to laugh at another's humiliation, whether they have mental disorders or not.

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Baggo Hammers
#35 - 2013-09-02 18:24:49 UTC
All parties are tools. The scamee is a very sad case who would debase himself for space money.

I knew a kid in school who would eat boogers off the wall for quarters.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#36 - 2013-09-02 18:27:20 UTC
Complete Tart2 wrote:


Everyone's quick to type a 'lol the guy deserved it' without even reading or listening to any of it


He got whatever was coming for being easy. The fact that someone would even contemplate doing something they are uncomfortable with or humiliated by IRL to gain imaginary wealth on a computer game indicates that they are in more dire need of some sort of help than any Jita scammer. That's not said with vitriol; it's simply the truth. I hope this person gets the help they need to bolster their self image to a point where they would never again even consider taking part in such activity.
Leafar Nightfall
Silent Owls
#37 - 2013-09-02 18:28:16 UTC
What, someone humiliated himself in front of his family for digital money?

Please keep this guy away from alcohol. If he did that in his first month in the game I can't think what he would do for his second drink
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#38 - 2013-09-02 18:38:57 UTC
I will now wait for recording of scammers being scammed and humiliated.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-09-02 18:40:32 UTC
I'll give you a couple stories I've bumped into in EVE.

Guy starts the game and within a couple weeks decides he likes it. So he, buys himself a batch of GTC's, converts to PLEX to sell off, buys himself a nice 70 mill SP char and a bunch of expensive toys so he can "compete". He then loads the expensive toys up in some haulers and gets popped a couple times with that 70 mill SP char.

He gets pissed.

A couple hundred worth of $$$ destroyed.. He was just trying to be "competitive" in the game and can't even get the stuff from market to his base safely?!? So he sells off his char and quits. (my reaction to his whine before quitting was kept quiet "don't let the door hit you on the way out... Attempting B2W doesn't work well if you don't have even enough basic knowledge not to put 12 billion worth of stuff in a T1 indy and try to fly it out of Jita...")

Another one from very early on in EVE for me that has stuck around...

New guy wants to be a pirate and is asking a lot of questions about it.

A "vet" type pirate player befriends him, offering advice, etc... Tells him to build up for a while and get the SP to fly a few ships. He goes so far as to buy this new guy his first cruiser and the like!

So this vet gives advice and tells the guy that when he gets over 6 mill SP, he can join his pirate corp but the 6mill SP is mandatory to fly well enough to do small gang piracy - as well as showing an active KB -- as in interest in actually doing and being involved in PvP.

SO the vet keeps giving the guy info here or there over the months, tells the newbie he live out of dangerous areas and that when that newbie is ready to join up, not to bring isk but ships & fittings to avoid shopping trips back to highsec where low sec status players can hit issues - and that this will happen over time with a new main char on 1 account.

So the newbie finally has the SP, experience, etc - enough to meet that groups minimum join requirements. He talks to his vet friend who then brings him in on an interview with the CEO of the pirate group, "vouches" for the newbie and he's accepted! They tell him to get all his stuff together so they can do 1 freighter run of his stuff out of empire.

They come up, load all the guys stuff into the freighter, kick him from the corp as they fly off with literally everything he'd spend months earning.

Well he did want to be involved in the seedier side of EVE - just not that particular part of the equation.

Just a couple things I've bumped into in EVE over the years. 2 rather different situations.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-09-02 18:41:50 UTC
I'm really sad he didn't sing the My Little Pony themesong. :(

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