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There is someone on my voice comms that swears some one was banned for this...

I found a website that takes a blueprint and automatically calculates profits over just selling the minerals using Jita prices.

You just enter a blue print and it tells you how many minerals are required. I'm not really an industrialist so I don't know how much I would personally use the site, but it seems odd that it would be something bannable to use. How would they know you are using it anyways?

The person on my voice comms says that someone was banned for using a website like this. I pointed out that I remember the guy from EVE University, but from my recolection he was using an automated process to buy and sell with enourmous volume that no human could do?

And if this website is illegal, what makes it illegal versus say EVE Central?

This question is more or less to resolve a personal debate with this person.

Well thanks for the answer. I had a feeling that this was the a case but he wouldn't take my word for it.

This Just In: Spreadsheets banned from EVE Online

And nothing of value was lost.

I wish people would stop making spreadsheets and then going "I made a program that...". Spreadsheets are not programs.

Being one of the people who actually makes programs for Eve, I whole heartedly agree.

Even if those programs I make tend to be only a little more complicated than a spreadsheet.

People use spreadsheets far too much. Databases have far more utility, even if you do have to then write the front end for them.

From my memory of the discussion in various venues, this guy built a site that started off as a "what is profitable to buy and sell" calculator. Then he figured that he could provide links to the market details for the products. Then he jumped over that fine line between "really cool profit calculator" and "botting" by having the application place the orders by sending keystrokes. He was claiming that updating 250 orders an hour was what normal players would do every day. All day.

By the time I've updated thirty orders a day, I'm already looking for the bottle of whisky.

No, It's not even against EULA to use a program that updates your market orders automatically for you to copy and paste into eve market. As long as all automation takes place outside the client (same reason ISO boxer is legal and other programs)

Feel free to eve mail me as I sell such a program I created for 250m. I use my own personal spread sheet which caps a high buy price and a low sell price, you will have to fill this in to your hearts content. I'm able to 1 isk hundreds of items in a matter of minutes with zero effort or number crunching beyond my pre set by limits which I update bi monthly. The program will alert you and auto scroll to your entry once it detects that your buy price or sell price is no longer the regions best. It will then supply a new best value and copy it for you ready for you to (ctrl v) paste into eve market. I advise changing your ctrl v to a single keyboard stroke( this is explained in the read me.)

The program was capable of scrolling through the eve market and opening the change box for you to paste but I have disabled this option as it's probabbly not EULA legal but even that is hazy as ISO boxer interacts with clients in such manners. I also advise you to heed all ccp warnings and messages you get regarding my program and to limit your use to human like and sensible level.s

I charge a flat fee of 250m for the program which will be emailed to you, (the file is tiny) , I do not offer support beyond the read me file and I have no plans to update it or add further features. It works well for me, you are free to mod to your hearts content but I'd ask you not to sell it or forward it.

Submit payment in game with reason as Brew's Market Tool at cost 250m isk. Send me an eve mail with your email and any questions that are not answered in the read me file. I will choose to ignore any silly questions as I'm not spoon feeding you this easy to use program. Also no ISK no reply and don't convo me in game you will be ignored and possibely blocked, eve mail with isk replys only.

Yes, it does not interact with the game client, please read, it's a market tool that requires 100% human interaction with the eve client thus is EULA legal.

The auto scroll takes place in a spread sheet out side the program you thenyou paste into eve client. Click on the enxt button on client it will give you the enxt order to be pasted.

I did read, and in doing so, I noted these passages:

“a program that updates your market orders automatically”
“The program will alert you and auto scroll to your entry”

Since you didn't specify that it does this in the spreadsheet, and not the client, it certainly sounds a lot like client interaction.

…and this just further suggests that you're doing something in the client rather than outside of it.

Every idiot can make a spreadsheet, not so much a database. A bit more sophisticated idiots can also write macro's in spreadsheets .. not so much queries. Semi non-idiots can create spreadsheets that are almost impossible to break unless you are a moron, not so much databases.

Unless you expect to run a website or want a real fancy program, a spreadsheet with macro's will do, and IS a program.