Ships & Modules

The thing is that TPs are a kinda lousy EWAR system in general. The main use for them is to allow Torps to hit smaller targets better. The 'real' Minmatar EWAR system that is important is the webs, since they're useful in many situations. The problem is that it's only the T2 ships that have webbing bonuses.

The Belliscose is useful for arty as well, painting smaller ships trying to keep up traversal at medium range is useful as it increases hit quality. The Bellicose also has enough slots and fittings to fit a tank that will keep it from dying to the first Drake that spams missiles at it and to fit sensor boosters to help it lock at long range.

For combat the Bellicose is one of those ships that some really good pilots fly when they're looking for a fight as everyone thinks it's terrible and will attack it.

MXZF is right. It's application is very limited. Even then when it is in its element its still not better than having another type of EWAR.

But like Bomberlocks said its a pretty good bait ship

If you are interested in some long term EWAR payoff I would recommend the Caldari EWAR family. It is hands down the best EWAR and ships like the Falcon and Rook obnoxiously fun ships to fly in small gang and hot drop situations. Even the blackbird can shut people down at like 80 KM reliably and at the cost of like 10 mil.

Actually it would be 20km T2 Webs and 26km on overheat.

That is 50% less then the Loki and 100% less then the Rapier on a ship with less tank, slots and DPS then the T2 versions.

The Blackbird gets an EWAR Strength and Range Bonus. I would like to see the Celestis get a 10km Warp Scram/Disruptor Range as well.

Make them as good as the Arbitrator / Blackbird. Even though the Arby has a double bonus it works.

Give web range bonus on MOAR Minmatar ships already able to always dictate range?

My goodness, yes please make my Minmatar skills more powerful than they already are... ho and make gallente interdiction on using webs too, who knows they may possibly apply a 10km range web someday on a Minmatar ship...

I would rather give Web Range Bonuses to Gallente completely but right now they are in Minmatars hands.

Compared to the Blackbird the Bellicose is crap as an EWAR Cruiser and would need something good to bring it in line.

There is not much else they could give it to be an effective EWAR Ship which it really is not.

That seems a nice way of improving it (and the ship model itself has missile launchers)... but wouldn't that mean having to change the Rapier, the Huggin and the Vigil too, since they work in the same way?
I think the problem is it's a ship with an undefined shooting style. Its bonuses are saying "fit me with artilleries!", but it still doesn't seem to be able to do a good punch with that, because of its high slots. There are some forms of improving it: giving it 4 turret slots and 6 high slots so it can still fit 2 launchers; giving it also a turret damage bonus; becoming it a missile boat, etc. Yes, I prefer turrets over missiles, but I'm open to other ideas (but remeber target painters serve well both for turrets and missiles).
But no, I don't like the webfiers idea. Minmatar EWAR is good enough with target painters. I can easily wipe out frigates using them along with medium autocannons and heavy missiles (without using webfiers), and remember they have a great range and also help your fleet mates. Moreover, giving them webfiers bonuses would OP Minmatars' abilty to dictate the range of the fight, as said above (and I'm a Minmatar). I'd say slightly improve painters' signature increase in a small percentage, but nothing else.

If your Gang has the ISK and Skill for a Loki chances are it is boosting Rapiers anyway.

Booster alts and ships are pretty much a sunk-cost kinda deal. People get them for seriousface PvP and wind up using them all the time, just because they have them. You can't say, "well the majority will only have", it's the ones who relentlessly whore broken mechanics in every way possible that establish the balance of the game. If you want balance, first look at exactly how far something can be pushed, then nerf from there.

Admittedly, I didn't and just threw some rough calcs down, but point stands.

Target-painting is kind of out of vogue right now, but I expect that to shift slight if assault frigs get buffed. I was never able to come up with a Bellicose fit I really liked, it was just kinda a "whatever" ship for me. Target-painting doesn't need a bonused hull, Rupture does more DPS and has more tank, etc.

Unless you are with bomber gang you may be better off with tracking disruptor instead of painter