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Scamming, 'White Knights' and the art of tear extraction
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#21 - 2013-09-01 01:21:19 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
IIshira wrote:
If this "white-knight" is a carebear or jita alt placing a bounty isn't going to do much good. Just as it would do no good to place a bounty on a scammer alt that never leaves station.

Bounties only pay a percentage of the ship that is destroyed. It doesn't allow anyone to kill them in highsec. The only instance where I could see a bounty harmful to a carebear is if he's in a shiny ship. A huge bounty might make suicide ganking more attractive.


Carebears lose ships in PVP. Just because they don't seek PVP does not mean it doesn't find them.

Plus the less PVP they engage in the better - a 150k bounty lasts only hours on an RVB pilot or a facwar pilot, while a Carebear might have to live with the 'shame' of a wanted sign for a whole two months.


I agree that sooner or later carebears will be involved in PVP. I just don't think there's much of a chance that the PVP encounter will be related to a bounty. When some carebear is running highsec missions I don't think many will say "he's got a 10 mil ISK bounty I'm going to shoot him". Now if the idiot engages a ninja looter a bounty will be paid but was he selected as a target for that 10 mil ISK bounty?... Probably not.

Now if that pilot was in a shiny fit CNR.... A billion ISK bounty might make him a target for PVP.



You misunderstand the point of a small bounty.

It's not to make the target more profitable to gank. It's to drive a carebear wild because their e-bushido is stained by this big "WANTED" tag on their portrait.

I've had bounties permanently since Retribution except for a brief period, but many carebears are proud of their 5.0 sec status and 'clean' bounty.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-09-01 03:55:38 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
IIshira wrote:
If this "white-knight" is a carebear or jita alt placing a bounty isn't going to do much good. Just as it would do no good to place a bounty on a scammer alt that never leaves station.

Bounties only pay a percentage of the ship that is destroyed. It doesn't allow anyone to kill them in highsec. The only instance where I could see a bounty harmful to a carebear is if he's in a shiny ship. A huge bounty might make suicide ganking more attractive.


Carebears lose ships in PVP. Just because they don't seek PVP does not mean it doesn't find them.

Plus the less PVP they engage in the better - a 150k bounty lasts only hours on an RVB pilot or a facwar pilot, while a Carebear might have to live with the 'shame' of a wanted sign for a whole two months.


I agree that sooner or later carebears will be involved in PVP. I just don't think there's much of a chance that the PVP encounter will be related to a bounty. When some carebear is running highsec missions I don't think many will say "he's got a 10 mil ISK bounty I'm going to shoot him". Now if the idiot engages a ninja looter a bounty will be paid but was he selected as a target for that 10 mil ISK bounty?... Probably not.

Now if that pilot was in a shiny fit CNR.... A billion ISK bounty might make him a target for PVP.



You misunderstand the point of a small bounty.

It's not to make the target more profitable to gank. It's to drive a carebear wild because their e-bushido is stained by this big "WANTED" tag on their portrait.

I've had bounties permanently since Retribution except for a brief period, but many carebears are proud of their 5.0 sec status and 'clean' bounty.


Ah I gotcha... Yea I do remember when you had to have negative sec status to get a bounty put on me. I guess it might drive some crazy to be "wanted". Now that anyone with 100k ISK can put a bounty on anyone to include themselves it's pretty much unavoidable that you're going to get a bounty. Other than putting the "wanted" thing when someone looks at your info it doesn't do much so I don't really worry about it.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#23 - 2013-09-01 08:49:55 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:



You misunderstand the point of a small bounty.

It's not to make the target more profitable to gank. It's to drive a carebear wild because their e-bushido is stained by this big "WANTED" tag on their portrait.

I've had bounties permanently since Retribution except for a brief period, but many carebears are proud of their 5.0 sec status and 'clean' bounty.


Ah I gotcha... Yea I do remember when you had to have negative sec status to get a bounty put on me. I guess it might drive some crazy to be "wanted". Now that anyone with 100k ISK can put a bounty on anyone to include themselves it's pretty much unavoidable that you're going to get a bounty. Other than putting the "wanted" thing when someone looks at your info it doesn't do much so I don't really worry about it.



Yeah noone sensible gets annoyed by a small or modest sized bounty, but you are doing it to e-bushido folks, not sensible people.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#24 - 2013-09-02 02:17:18 UTC
God I love eve, you can gun some guy down on a moments notice, steal the shirt off his back and do terrible things to his corpse and no one bats an eyelash.


You do something honorable or decent and everyone's like "who does this ---hole think he is?"

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#25 - 2013-09-02 04:38:54 UTC
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
God I love eve, you can gun some guy down on a moments notice, steal the shirt off his back and do terrible things to his corpse and no one bats an eyelash.


You do something honorable or decent and everyone's like "who does this ---hole think he is?"


How is destroying someone's elaborate scheme to obtain ISK any more (or less) honorable than destroying someone's elaborately constructed ship in a pre-arranged duel, or destroying someone's market dominance by undercutting them with the minerals you just mined?

Every interaction in EVE is competitive and player versus player. I'm simply documenting a method for exacting revenge against a certain type of player interaction - a method of revenge that is surprisingly effective.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#26 - 2013-09-02 07:33:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr0000 Maulerant
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:


How is destroying someone's elaborate scheme to obtain ISK any more (or less) honorable than destroying someone's elaborately constructed ship in a pre-arranged duel, or destroying someone's market dominance by undercutting them with the minerals you just mined?

Every interaction in EVE is competitive and player versus player. I'm simply documenting a method for exacting revenge against a certain type of player interaction - a method of revenge that is surprisingly effective.



I guess I'm wondering what it gains you?

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Seiryu Voltaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-09-03 10:46:39 UTC
Personally, I only white-knight the really pathetic scams. If you aren't even going to put the effort into making it seem legitimate, you shouldn't be trying at all.

Too much grammar nazi in me, I can't help it.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-09-03 10:50:32 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
IIshira wrote:
If this "white-knight" is a carebear or jita alt placing a bounty isn't going to do much good. Just as it would do no good to place a bounty on a scammer alt that never leaves station.

Bounties only pay a percentage of the ship that is destroyed. It doesn't allow anyone to kill them in highsec. The only instance where I could see a bounty harmful to a carebear is if he's in a shiny ship. A huge bounty might make suicide ganking more attractive.


Carebears lose ships in PVP. Just because they don't seek PVP does not mean it doesn't find them.

Plus the less PVP they engage in the better - a 150k bounty lasts only hours on an RVB pilot or a facwar pilot, while a Carebear might have to live with the 'shame' of a wanted sign for a whole two months.


I agree that sooner or later carebears will be involved in PVP. I just don't think there's much of a chance that the PVP encounter will be related to a bounty. When some carebear is running highsec missions I don't think many will say "he's got a 10 mil ISK bounty I'm going to shoot him". Now if the idiot engages a ninja looter a bounty will be paid but was he selected as a target for that 10 mil ISK bounty?... Probably not.

Now if that pilot was in a shiny fit CNR.... A billion ISK bounty might make him a target for PVP.



You misunderstand the point of a small bounty.

It's not to make the target more profitable to gank. It's to drive a carebear wild because their e-bushido is stained by this big "WANTED" tag on their portrait.

I've had bounties permanently since Retribution except for a brief period, but many carebears are proud of their 5.0 sec status and 'clean' bounty.


Ah I gotcha... Yea I do remember when you had to have negative sec status to get a bounty put on me. I guess it might drive some crazy to be "wanted". Now that anyone with 100k ISK can put a bounty on anyone to include themselves it's pretty much unavoidable that you're going to get a bounty. Other than putting the "wanted" thing when someone looks at your info it doesn't do much so I don't really worry about it.


I got over 2 bill bounty on my head... Still has not made me a target for PVP.

Since the payout became percentage based on ship loss it really does not matter anymore.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#29 - 2013-09-03 16:14:09 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:


e) those who believe the scammers don't "actually" play the game,

Heh! Scamming is direct mind-to-mind PvP. Purest form of combat available in EVE.

Quote:
Long may it continue.
One does hope - It's vastly entertaining, and makes EVE unique.

Wait, you quote me, yet don't even give me a like.

Feels like i've been scammed.

This game is harsh.

You're all unsavoury, and the sooner all the bad eggs from this rotten basket get purged, the better Big smile
Here; have a couple stale 'Likes.' I'd have used 'em elsewhere, but they've gone off a bit, and even the dogs won't eat 'em.

Lol
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#30 - 2013-09-03 19:03:41 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
You've all seen them. Someone spams a scam in a trade hub, then some self-appointed self-righteous brat comes and posts even more spam alerting the rare person that is sober enough to care about being scammed but not dilligent enough to avoid them.

These white knights get annoying. However, they have a secret weakness.

I highly recommend people post bounties on them, a small one will do. Nothing irritates them more than seeing 'Wanted' defiling their pristine 5.0 sec status and sense of E-bushido.



So you get annoyed/mad and place a bounty on them ?
Op succes.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-09-04 13:57:59 UTC
Dazz Riiiiiiight wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
I like white-knighting, it helps honest players avoid dealing with buttheads.


says the terribad troll.

go back to carebearing.




Stfu and gtfo

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#32 - 2013-09-04 20:53:11 UTC
Like some others, I faux white knight as I'm passing through. It's amusing and sometimes generates tears. My favorite is to announce that So-and-So Scammer will give the isk for free, without first requiring any deposit, but you have to open a convo and be very persistent. This one seems to generate the most tears, but I'm always messing around, so maybe I'll find something better one day.

Also, I endeavor to call out anyone copying Boom Boom's scam. Have some respect people!

No good deed goes unpunished
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