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Dinatra
Offshore Holdings
#1 - 2011-11-12 08:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dinatra
Last night we had one WH signature in our system, our freshly spawned static, in fact, it was the only signature in system apart from a few anoms. Noone had warped on it and now I just warped on it myself to see that it's natural cycle had not yet started (freshly spawned then on the other side). Yet there is a single jump into the system a few hours ago... this is quite puzzling as there were no holes to go through. Has anything like this happened to anyone else and more over, can anyone explain this?
Splodger
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-12 11:17:30 UTC
The api for jumps normally updates around every 45 - 55 mins give or take. Wormnav will sometimes iteself show two npc kills but at different 'ticks' of the api. What do you use to check jumps?
Dinatra
Offshore Holdings
#3 - 2011-11-12 11:41:21 UTC
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What do you use to check jumps?

both jovelabs and staticmapper.
laffbot
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-11-12 11:45:11 UTC
maybe someone closed a k162 ?
Dinatra
Offshore Holdings
#5 - 2011-11-12 11:52:46 UTC
laffbot wrote:
maybe someone closed a k162 ?

I ruled that possibility out since this was only a single jump, as far as i know you can't close any newly spawned hole with a single one way jump
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#6 - 2011-11-12 11:55:50 UTC
Dinatra wrote:
laffbot wrote:
maybe someone closed a k162 ?

I ruled that possibility out since this was only a single jump, as far as i know you can't close any newly spawned hole with a single one way jump


Keep in mind when staticmapper says 1 jump, that means 1 jump into your system.
It doesn't show jumps out of the system.
Dinatra
Offshore Holdings
#7 - 2011-11-12 12:38:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Dinatra
Yeah still, there was no WH to come in through...


timeline ( during which only a single WH is in system):
|----------(-12h)--------------(-6h)------------(-3h)------------------
|-------------1--------------------2-----------------3------------------

  1. static collapses (EOL)
  2. single jump occurrs
  3. new static opened by warp on
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-11-12 12:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Comy 1
Might have been a scout that either came in or left before the old static collapsed.

Edit: just saw your timeline, a bit weird indeed.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-11-12 13:07:39 UTC
After 3 months living in and watching jump statistics, I believe sometimes there are just "hiccups".

Much the same way that those sites will say that during a certain period I had 2 NPC kills after I cleared 4 sites with probably 75 NPC's total.

Also, have you actually rescanned? I have had new sigs and WH k162's crop up minutes after finishing a scan of the system.
Dinatra
Offshore Holdings
#10 - 2011-11-12 13:15:30 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
After 3 months living in and watching jump statistics, I believe sometimes there are just "hiccups".

Yeah, lived in WH for about 18 months now, never seen this happen before.
Derath Ellecon wrote:

Also, have you actually rescanned? I have had new sigs and WH k162's crop up minutes after finishing a scan of the system.

Yeah double checked, scanned before and after opening the static up

Compy 10 wrote:
Edit: just saw your timeline, a bit weird indeed.

Indeed :) very
laffbot
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-11-12 13:25:37 UTC
One of your corpies is lying and opened the static.

Or someone was in your system you did not know about and made an exit through static.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-12 13:26:46 UTC
Well I have, at least once.

I cannot recall exactly when. But there was an update maybe a month ago, after which statistical data on the various websites has been less accurate.
Dinatra
Offshore Holdings
#13 - 2011-11-12 13:32:21 UTC
laffbot wrote:
One of your corpies is lying and opened the static.

Or someone was in your system you did not know about and made an exit through static.


Nope, Static hadn't spawned, see the timeline. When I opened it 3 hours after the apparent jump, the hole showed that it had not yet begun it's natural cycle
Cypher Decypher
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2011-11-13 15:42:06 UTC
Someone jumped an Orca in to close a K162, and it popped behind them.

You now have a cloaked industrial sitting in your system trying to figure a way out... :)
drdxie
#15 - 2011-11-13 19:03:20 UTC
Maybe you server cluster had a reboot.. weird stuff happens when they reboot.

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Dinatra
Offshore Holdings
#16 - 2011-11-13 19:16:15 UTC
Cypher Decypher wrote:
Someone jumped an Orca in to close a K162, and it popped behind them.

You now have a cloaked industrial sitting in your system trying to figure a way out... :)


I don't think there exists a WH you can close with a single jump


drdxie wrote:
Maybe you server cluster had a reboot.. weird stuff happens when they reboot.

Yeah I think this is the most probable one I can think of
Rythm
True Power Team
#17 - 2011-11-13 22:28:56 UTC
We had a similiar incident. With 1 jump 40 minutes after everyone logged off.
Coincidentally one of the corpies moved moros to the ship maint. bay and told no one about it.
Missing moros and 1 jump out of the system caused a bit of the confusion :)
Scoto Timta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-11-14 17:22:50 UTC
As Derath said, sometimes the system seems to "hiccup". And it's not an issue with Dotlan, StaticMapper, WormNav, etc. The odd/wrong info is consistent across all of them.
Besides the 1 ship kill (pod gets away safe) showing up as 2 (which seems to happen most of the time there is a single ship kill for us), I've had times when multiple jumps showed up as 1. I've noted a few times recently when we force-closed a wh (approximately 15 round trips) and opened a new one, then a few hours later (or next day) I saw that during the time when we were doing that, the api info only shows a few (1-3) jumps. And I *think* I've even seen a few cases where I know jumps were made, but the system registers zero (yes, accounting for the update lag). I now "take with a grain of salt" the jump info. Still useful, but I don't count on it being totally accurate. I certainly can't say that 'no jumps' has ever shown up as 'some jumps', but I wouldn't regard it as impossible, since multiple jumps sometimes show up as one (or maybe none).