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Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#1 - 2013-09-01 22:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Swiftstrike1
Setting up a POS is a struggle if you don't have or don't want to risk a ship with significant cargo space e.g an orca. I'd like to propose a special T1 industrial designed for POS deployment. Would have been nice if I'd thought of it more than 2 days before the T1 industrial rebalance, but hey maybe it could be a Christmas present from CCP Big smile

Proposed name: Svadilfar (from the Norse "Svaðilfari". See here for background story).

TL;DR Svaðilfari was a horse who hauled all the stones that were used to rebuild the fortifications around Asgard after the 1st war between the Norse gods and the ice giants.

  • Control tower bay (8,000 m3) <-- Large enough to take 1 large tower, 2 mediums, or 4 small
  • Fuel Block bay (9,600 m3) <-- 48 hours of fuel for a large tower
  • Strontium bay (28,800 m3) <-- 24 hours of RF time for a large tower
  • POS module bay (50,000 m3) <-- enough for CHA, SMA, basic defences
  • Ammo bay (5,000 m3) <-- enough ammo for gun/missile batteries, but doesn't come close to the new T1 ammo hauler

    • Other stats like hit points and hard points etc are balance issues.

    Thoughts?

    Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
    Danika Princip
    GoonWaffe
    Goonswarm Federation
    #2 - 2013-09-01 23:18:22 UTC
    Can anyone say 'loot piñata'?
    Domanique Altares
    Rifterlings
    #3 - 2013-09-02 00:04:21 UTC
    Danika Princip wrote:
    Can anyone say 'loot piñata'?


    No worse than anything else that carries around a bunch of expensive crap.

    That being said, I don't know how many new boutique hulls we need to introduce in the middle of a rebalance-fest of existing ones.
    Arya Regnar
    Darwins Right Hand
    #4 - 2013-09-02 00:33:25 UTC
    Cloaky hauler with pos and fuel in all the space thats left, when POS is anchored you online and add fuel, while it's onlining you bring in itty 5 with pos defense mods and SMA after that you bring 1 more itty 5 of stront and some fuel, by that point you can start just unloading pos mods and more fuel since pos is already secured.

    I don't really see a reason why you need to have it all in one ship since you are very exposed before FF is up.

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    Swiftstrike1
    Swiftstrike Incorporated
    #5 - 2013-09-02 01:01:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Swiftstrike1
    Danika Princip wrote:
    Can anyone say 'loot piñata'?

    T1 haulers have always been loot piñatas. I see no problem with adding 1 more. You won't catch me carrying a faction tower around in one of these things though lol P
    Arya Regnar wrote:
    Cloaky hauler with pos and fuel in all the space thats left, when POS is anchored you online and add fuel, while it's onlining you bring in itty 5 with pos defense mods and SMA after that you bring 1 more itty 5 of stront and some fuel, by that point you can start just unloading pos mods and more fuel since pos is already secured.

    That's exactly how I have done it in the past, but the point is that it's silly to need 3 ships to do 1 job. We already have specialised mining ships, a specialised gas harvester (venture), a specialised PI ship, salvage ship, exploration ships, haulers, etc... Setting up a POS is another thing that happens all the time in eve, but there is no special ship for this job. I think it's a niche that could do with being filled Smile.

    Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
    Rengerel en Distel
    #6 - 2013-09-02 01:44:07 UTC
    Swiftstrike1 wrote:
    Danika Princip wrote:
    Can anyone say 'loot piñata'?

    T1 haulers have always been loot piñatas. I see no problem with adding 1 more. You won't catch me carrying a faction tower around in one of these things though lol P
    Arya Regnar wrote:
    Cloaky hauler with pos and fuel in all the space thats left, when POS is anchored you online and add fuel, while it's onlining you bring in itty 5 with pos defense mods and SMA after that you bring 1 more itty 5 of stront and some fuel, by that point you can start just unloading pos mods and more fuel since pos is already secured.

    That's exactly how I have done it in the past, but the point is that it's silly to need 3 ships to do 1 job. We already have specialised mining ships, a specialised gas harvester (venture), a specialised PI ship, salvage ship, exploration ships, haulers, etc... Setting up a POS is another thing that happens all the time in eve, but there is no special ship for this job. I think it's a niche that could do with being filled Smile.


    You don't need 3 ships to do the job, you need 1 ship to repeatedly do the job. Using more than 1 ship does it faster. Having help from your corp makes it even easier. Setting up POS happens all the time in eve, but how many times by the same people often enough to warrant a special ship to do it, when there are already countless other ships for the job?

    With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
    Katia Echerie
    The Tuskers
    The Tuskers Co.
    #7 - 2013-09-02 01:50:00 UTC
    We already have a ship for that. Its a freighter/JF. You would be surprised how easy and quick it is to set up a POS in one of those (unless you are a tool and keep your freighter vulnerable). Besides, what you are asking for is essentially a freighter load sized ship with a t1 hauler price tag.
    Arya Regnar
    Darwins Right Hand
    #8 - 2013-09-02 02:47:46 UTC
    Swiftstrike1 wrote:
    Danika Princip wrote:
    Can anyone say 'loot piñata'?

    T1 haulers have always been loot piñatas. I see no problem with adding 1 more. You won't catch me carrying a faction tower around in one of these things though lol P
    Arya Regnar wrote:
    Cloaky hauler with pos and fuel in all the space thats left, when POS is anchored you online and add fuel, while it's onlining you bring in itty 5 with pos defense mods and SMA after that you bring 1 more itty 5 of stront and some fuel, by that point you can start just unloading pos mods and more fuel since pos is already secured.

    That's exactly how I have done it in the past, but the point is that it's silly to need 3 ships to do 1 job. We already have specialised mining ships, a specialised gas harvester (venture), a specialised PI ship, salvage ship, exploration ships, haulers, etc... Setting up a POS is another thing that happens all the time in eve, but there is no special ship for this job. I think it's a niche that could do with being filled Smile.

    I only mentioned 2 ships, and you cant do it all at once since you have anchor and onlining timers so using a cloaky and a t1 hauler is in no way a limiting factor. You can just as well do it all with a cloaky but pos mods are cheap and take a lot of space, therefore t1 hauler...

    What is your counter to this?

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    MicDeath Titan
    No Mans Corp
    #9 - 2013-09-02 08:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: MicDeath Titan
    i like this idea. pretty dang neat!

    edit:

    I like it because it makes sense, and gives a ship a definite role to fill.
    Danika Princip
    GoonWaffe
    Goonswarm Federation
    #10 - 2013-09-02 12:10:25 UTC
    Katia Echerie wrote:
    We already have a ship for that. Its a freighter/JF. You would be surprised how easy and quick it is to set up a POS in one of those (unless you are a tool and keep your freighter vulnerable). Besides, what you are asking for is essentially a freighter load sized ship with a t1 hauler price tag.


    I hear rorquals are popular for it too.
    Icarus Able
    Refuse.Resist
    #11 - 2013-09-02 16:07:59 UTC
    Katia Echerie wrote:
    We already have a ship for that. Its a freighter/JF. You would be surprised how easy and quick it is to set up a POS in one of those (unless you are a tool and keep your freighter vulnerable). Besides, what you are asking for is essentially a freighter load sized ship with a t1 hauler price tag.



    What about WH space. Where in lower class wormholes an Orca is the biggest ship that can get through. Also OP said in his original post " something that isnt as expensive as say an orca".

    Learn to read.
    Dring Dingle
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #12 - 2013-09-02 16:10:03 UTC
    I quite like this idea.
    Other than an orca, you can't really do a large pos deployment .
    Mars Theran
    Foreign Interloper
    #13 - 2013-09-02 17:08:39 UTC
    I say we just use "Push Button, deploy PoS" mechanics with this. Fly into position and hit the fancy go button and watch all the cargo eject out to exact distance and deploy immediately, with the control tower below you. Would be awesome. Cool


    I do question your separate bay for a Control tower aside from this though.

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    Swiftstrike1
    Swiftstrike Incorporated
    #14 - 2013-09-02 18:09:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Swiftstrike1
    T1 doesn't have to mean cheap. The Noctis, for example, retails for around 70 mil in hisec. T1 just means it won't have T2 resistances or built in +2 warp strength or anything fancy like that.

    As for concerns that this would be a T1 subcap freighter... that's why it's divided up into special bays. Even if you could add all of them together, the total cargo space would still be less than an orca when SMA and Fleet hangars are taken into account.

    I see this thing having a cloaking device to wait while towers online and a mwd to fly out and put ammo in guns. Nothing you couldn't put on a regular T1 hauler.

    EDIT:
    Mars Theran wrote:
    I say we just use "Push Button, deploy PoS" mechanics with this. Fly into position and hit the fancy go button and watch all the cargo eject out to exact distance and deploy immediately, with the control tower below you. Would be awesome. Cool


    I do question your separate bay for a Control tower aside from this though.


    Let's not go crazy. I don't think any ship should be able to bypass game mechanics in this way. Perhaps there is no need for a "control tower bay", but control towers are the only truly essential part of a POS so it makes sense that a ship designed specifically to deploy POSs would have one.

    Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.