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The self loathing ignorance of your post is staggering. I reviewed your, might I assume, self written biography, and it was enlightening. You referred to the Amarrian Racist Cult of Slavers as holders, and politely equated their ownerships of human beings including yourself and your family as equal in status to your domain over his crops.

Your pondering about Minmatar intolerance is replete from start to finish with false equivalences and self righteous postering.


Nothing in your biography indicated any training in political science or history or comparative cultures so one is left to wonder how such a dismissive statement can have any basis in objective facts.

Myyona the fact that you have chosen to become involved in the drug business when a harshly addictive drug is implemented to enforce the brutal slavery of millions of human beings by the Amarrian Racist Cult of Slavers is again suggestive of your disconnection with the objective ability to discern between "good and evil" and "methods and results".

You are indeed indicative of the damaged human being that is all to often the result of the inhumane slavery inflicted by the Amarrian Racist Cult of Slavers that we have yet to cleanse from New Eden. You sound like a mind wiped soulless Sansha. I pray that the twisted self loathing beast that resides within your head and heart will someday release it's foul grip on you, and you are able to become a whole self loving person.

A living horror like you motivates we who proudly and resolutely have dedicated ourselves to being Minmatar freedom fighters to make sure the injuries to you are not inflicted upon others.

Uh... yes. That was a weird reply for the Fiction forum.

Thanks for it anyhow.

Thank you for your kind response. I also found it weird that on a fiction forum your post had no narrative, and no concrete connections between EVE lore and the conclusions you seemed to be drawing. I sincerely apologize if my comments about your characters apparent love affair with the Amarrian Racist Cult of Slavers written into this game was off base for this forum.

My bad! I was out of bounds but it was not intentional, I will endeavor to not mix rp responses into fiction forum threads in the future. I thought, perhaps wrongly, that giving a first person reaction in the fiction forum would more clearly define the serious subject of human race based slavery that is always taken so lightly in this game.

You took two separate stories and then tried to justify Amarrian racial intolerance and human slavery with them. The outcast are marked in some strange genetic and mystical way that is not at all explained clearly in EVE lore and they are reviled by the Minmatar people. So this somehow justifies the Amarrian Racist Cult of Slavers? No you did not make a legitimate case in any sense of the word.

The horrible "scars" carried by the Thukker clan member that penetrated to the bone were not fatal, what do you think his chances for survival would have been if the Amarrian Racist Cult of Slavers had discovered his puppy love with one of their girls? No you did not make a legitimate case in any sense of the word.

As a writer of fan fiction as well as a reader of fan fiction in my own humble opinion a writer is better served when they employ lore to add depth to the story they are weaving and not simply as a tool roughly wielded to further a mean spirited attempt to besmirch the character and basic humanity of the victims of race based slavery.

Try as you will defending the indefensible position of human slavery justification does not become more acceptable if you hurl cultural wide insults at the slaves.

Merely pointing to isolated events in the lore do not justify biased conclusions.

Yes if you were making some other point you were not clear at all.

Perhaps you are not a native English writer because the grammar of this sentence is unintelligible and possibly lost in the translation.

Reread your own posts here with an objective eye to what they say not what perhaps you meant for them to say.

Unhealthy in what manner Doctor... I mean you are giving a medical diagnosis here correct?

I did apologize for mixing IC & OOC comments earlier in this thread, after which you continued to hammer away at me. Again I would ask you to read your above words and objectively admit you have not met their standard.

I am and will remain ever hopeful that honest intelligent conversation is useful.

"Also, the fact that the Minmatar distinguish themselves in seven individual tribes all hailing from one planet seems a bit excessive"

Says a person who probably distinguishes themselves as a member of one of the approxximately 193 countries in the world. Approxximately because some nations aren't internationally acknowledged.

Might the same thing not be said about the seven individual tribes of the Amarrians?

Ardishapurites

Kadorites

Kor-Azorites

Sarumites

Udorians

Ni-Kunni

Khanid

Do you find them a bit excessive?

Can you see how the actual lore fiction seems to undermine your conclusions? You take common identical traits and paint them negatively only upon the Minmatar. For what purpose i'd like to ask you?

I would like to speculate that you have bought into the common false belief that the word "Tribe" means primitive lesser other. Because when we use the word tribes to differentiate the seven peoples of Amarr there is no difference between their internal divisions and those of the Minmatar.

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No, OP, you're not alone.

The sources you present clearly demonstrate Minmatar intolerance. In Scars, the old man was intolerant of the Minmatar refugees because they weren't acting the way he thought they should act, and they beat him up for saying so. Yane got disfigured and brutalized by his fellow Matari because he loved an Amarr girl when he was 10 years old.

The Outcast shows how thousands of Minmatar are ostracized by their fellow tribesmen and their lives ruined because they have the wrong markings.

The Minmatar Epic Arc shows how the Republic suppresses historical facts which are contrary to their official story, while acknowledging that the facts are a part of Minmatar heritage and considering the suppression to be desirable. The story shows that the Republic is perfectly happy to lie its people, especially when the truth will undermine their current political policies.

The murder of the Ammatar priest Abel Jarek who legally immigrated to the Republic and was killed by a mob demonstrates the intolerance of general Minmatar society and their willingness to attack anyone who doesn't fall with their range of acceptable opinion, Minmatar or not.

The freedom fighter rhetoric wears pretty thin when the Minmatar only care about enslaved Minmatar and don't care about slaves of other ethnicities, and then mistreat the freed Minmatar slaves who don't fit in their their narrow definitions of acceptable social thought, and can't even integrate the freed Minmatar who toe the line. The immigrating refugees will have no idea about the emotionally charged social minefield they're stepping into. No wonder they moved to the Federation.

I don't think its because they are intolerant of different cultural traditions, I think it's because they're intolerant of anything they don't happen to like. Minmatar who see these contradictions and question the rhetoric get ostracized or worse.

Again I disagree with the OP that the Minmatar are at cultural peace only when suppressed by another stronger culture. I think the intolerance and violence continues, but the Minmatar community just doesn't have the same power to enforce conformity as it does in the Republic. Example: In the Republic, a Minmatar can get killed for believing in the Amarr religion that he chooses to practice. In the Federation, the local Minmatar would have to contend with the police if they wanted to commit a hate crime. In Amarr, Minmatar don't get to do anything, and a variety of grisly fates would befall them if they tried it.

Also, I think that the enforcement of the national myth will in the end make the Republic stronger, not weaker. Sooner or later everyone will have to conform or face the consequences, and individual dissenters will be weeded out. The prime fiction doesn't really paint the Minmatar in a positive light.

I did not define prime fiction in my post, and I was discussing the OP's post about Minmatar society, not the Caldari.

It's not fashionable to dump on the Minmatar. It's fashionable to dump on the Amarr, who are depicted as socially and economically backward, technologically underdeveloped, and morally reprehensible. And dumping isn't dumping if it's true.

Really, the Gallente get the best potrayal in the prime fiction as the open minded democracy loving people in the setting. After that, the Minmatar get to be the plucky underdogs with a legitimate grievance against the eeeevil Amarr. Then it's the Caldari with the third best portrayal, even though it's contradictory in some pretty important points, and the rise of Heth was quite tedious in its similarity to a rl 20th century dictator. The Amarr get the worst treatment as the villains of the setting.