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Isinero
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-08-30 14:17:31 UTC
Hello everyone,
I currently using TENGU on another account with this build and I like it. (but I know that I cant get the same from legion. I would like to train for marauder but until I will train it I want something else on second account. More information bellow)

[Tengu, Tengu fit]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithum B-Type Medium Shield Booster
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

its overtanked so I can drop one adaptive invul field and its will be still enough (I upgraded it with adaptive invul fields instead of adaptive invul fields II which I hade before.

I will probably drop it and change one of them to webifier. (not so important)


But what I want to know is which one of these 2 legions you would advice me to run. (it will be on second account, so I can do 2 mission at once:-D I have 2 lvl 4 agents in one place so I will try to no take angel missions if possible, but sometime even this can happen)

laser build:
[Legion, Legion fit copy copy copy]

Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Blood Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Blood Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Blood Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Blood Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Blood Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Blood Multifrequency M

Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

vs

HAM build
[Legion, Legion HAM]

Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

2 webifiers and it can be 1 webifier + 1 target painter or 2 painters ... not sure whats better

I am trying to have it as much similar as possible so I can refit it quickly when I will need it.

note: I am trying to create omni tank (so I dont need to refit anything most of the time) and I am flying 2 missions at once so I want to have strong tank which is cap stable and dont need lot of micromanagement:-)
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-08-30 14:27:27 UTC
Fit1 would be better against sansha, blood and drones. You want to drop the nanobot accelerator II rig out and swap a cap recharger to another tracking computer. Tank is still plenty and uses less cap (allowing dropping out of recharger). A burst aerator II rig would be extremely beneficial and you have plenty of bling in tank to justify it.

Fit2 would not be better than the tengu against guristas, serpentis or angels. This is why your only real choice IMHO is the laser legion or tengu.
Isinero
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-08-30 14:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Isinero
really thanks for reply :-D I want to go with laser one :DDDD (I just have missile tengu, so I want something different)

I have missile skills too and now I am using missile legion but I will switch it to laser one :-D (I am few days from t2 guns, so until then I will use navy ammo).

just a note: that burst aerator cant be fited (it increase power grid too much and even if not it requires too much calibration).
bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#4 - 2013-09-01 22:46:54 UTC
Both sucks. Buy a nightmare for lv4 against sansha. More dps, more range and you won't need to MWD or AB 90% of the time to get in range.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#5 - 2013-09-02 04:30:06 UTC
bloodknight2 wrote:
Both sucks. Buy a nightmare for lv4 against sansha. More dps, more range and you won't need to MWD or AB 90% of the time to get in range.


Nightmare is nice for Sansha but the minute you get a Guristas/Angels mission your 2bil boat becomes subpar. Machariel combines damage selection with amazing mobility and does better overall, hell even a T1 Raven can do more dps to Angels/Guristas, granted you won't get many against an Amarr agent but you'll get enough to annoy you. Also gatecrawling missions in the Nightmare is really annoying.

I've used a Nightmare in Amarr space extensively, and I eventually sold it for the above reasons. I think what did it for me was getting jammed out in The Assault after messing up triggers and not being able to drop the BS fast enough which eventually forced me to warp out.
Isinero
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-09-02 06:46:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Isinero
to be honest even flying to gate with this is annoying.
Most of the quest drop me 80 km from acceleration gate and I need to go there at first before I can even start, So until I get there I most of the time already cleared first room with my TENGU from second account ...

The character which warp to member to 0 appear "most of the time" directly at acceleration gate.

I want to fly Paladin later, but I am really not sure how this will work even later ... If it will drop me for example 50 km from gate I cant use jump drive and I will just fly there and when I will arrive to first gate ... mission will be already done :-)

Or second possibility is to learn all missions and reject all missions where I need to travel to acceleration gate. (I have 2 level 4 security agents on station so this should work too)

EDIT: just one more addition ... its most of the time pretty easy to fly the mission with legion if there is TENGU too :-) But for solo mission its also fine, but in case that I dont shot down some webing, scrambling frigates before they catch me. (most of the time I will shot them down, but sometime if they spawn directly at me I have no chance to shot them down.). They are orbiting with super speed at 2,5 km from me and its simply impossible to hit them. With Tengu I just switch to javeling and slowly kill them.

So if I will drop that nano robot it can result in lost of ship in case that something like that spawn on me. (most probably not, because I will drop bigger ships before they will kill me:-) But there is a chance that this can happen). But in the end If I will have anything like that on me, I will still need to fly there with other account to kill it.

I cant imagine what turret tracking speed I will need to get these annoying targets without drones. When I think about that I even think that maybe webifier will be much better option than tracking computer. Not sure if 1 webifier will be enough but with 2 I will be able to slow down this close targets enough to kill them and I believe that it will maybe work much better than targeting computer, which I dont need most of the time. (I need it for killing these small targets which come close enough, but then its still not enough)

And then with 2 webifiers I can probably drop cap recharger and switch nanorobot accelerator, because I will have always possibility to shot down these targets :-) (I will need to try it, but I believe that it should work)
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-09-02 15:08:51 UTC
a year ago or so i tried to shoehorn the HAM legion into some decent pve role. the only fit where it arguably performs best is a shield tanked (!) angel anom or lvl4 boat. for pretty much anything else, you are better served with either a tengu or a laser fit.

I should buy an Ishtar.