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Dave Stark
#621 - 2013-09-01 12:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.


congratulations you're comparing a t1 fitted ship to a t2 fitted ship. would you now like to make an accurate comparison? if you can fit a t2 talos you can fit a t2 catalyst, so compare the respective fits. also your dps values are off for both ships anyway so i'm guessing you haven't got a clue what the hell you're talking about.

is it hard to use eft?
note: that's also without any implants or such.

also, as we can see, not only are your dps values off, so are your isk values. *shrug*
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#622 - 2013-09-01 12:04:48 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.

If you're only getting 300 DPS from a meta 0 fitted Catalyst, I feel bad for you.


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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#623 - 2013-09-01 12:08:32 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Same mechanic that stopped most freighters being ganked with the only reasonable force (battleships). Profitablity.


so, no game mechanic has ever stopped players dropping 2m isk ships on a freighter?


For every low slot added they would have to remove 12% base cargo ( I think thats what a t2 cargo extender gives you) otherwise people could ship capitals into high sec.

I dont want my freighter nerfed in an attempt to fix stupid people.

No need, simple to not allow capitals to be put into a hold or not allow them to be assembled in high, or not allow freighters with capital ships in hold to enter high sec or more fun to have customs fine or nuke freighters with banned caps inside... your protestation is just an excuse to not nerf your cash cow.


Apparently 2m isk an hour is a cash cow that needs to be nerfed.

Good day good sir.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#624 - 2013-09-01 12:08:53 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
5 cats > dps than 1 Talos

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.


A T2 Talos does 1650dps.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#625 - 2013-09-01 12:10:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Good day good sir.


Good day to you Goon Sir

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#626 - 2013-09-01 12:10:38 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.

If you're only getting 300 DPS from a meta 0 fitted Catalyst, I feel bad for you.



lol stop being wrong so much. That's a t1 nuetron blaster cat firing antimatter with all low slots filled with t1 magstabs lol with all level 5 skills. How do you suppose that be increased? Magic?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Dave Stark
#627 - 2013-09-01 12:11:56 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.

If you're only getting 300 DPS from a meta 0 fitted Catalyst, I feel bad for you.



lol stop being wrong so much. That's a t1 nuetron blaster cat firing antimatter with all low slots filled with t1 magstabs lol with all level 5 skills. How do you suppose that be increased? Magic?


let's play hangman.

_ _ _ _

hint: it's the answer to your question.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#628 - 2013-09-01 12:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.

If you're only getting 300 DPS from a meta 0 fitted Catalyst, I feel bad for you.



lol stop being wrong so much. That's a t1 nuetron blaster cat firing antimatter with all low slots filled with t1 magstabs lol with all level 5 skills. How do you suppose that be increased? Magic?


That's the dps of a Light Ion Blaster I catalyst with L4 supports, T1 magstabs & no implants using CN Antimatter.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#629 - 2013-09-01 12:12:58 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
5 cats > dps than 1 Talos

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.


A T2 Talos does 1650dps.

5 t1 fitted cats do 1500 dps and cost 10 million isk.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#630 - 2013-09-01 12:14:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.

If you're only getting 300 DPS from a meta 0 fitted Catalyst, I feel bad for you.



lol stop being wrong so much. That's a t1 nuetron blaster cat firing antimatter with all low slots filled with t1 magstabs lol with all level 5 skills. How do you suppose that be increased? Magic?

[Catalyst, meta gank]

8x Light Neutron Blaster I (Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S)

1MN Afterburner
Sensor Booster I (Scan Resolution Script)

3x Linear Flux Stabilizer I

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

With my gank alts skills (which aren't all V) 354.5 DPS before overheat 407.6 with overheat. Learn to gank, and learn to fit. Even replacing the meta 2 Magstabs with meta 0's it still pushes around 360 DPS overheated.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#631 - 2013-09-01 12:14:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
5 cats > dps than 1 Talos

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.


A T2 Talos does 1650dps.

5 t1 fitted cats do 1500 dps and cost 10 million isk.


The Talos was there because we most likely didn't have enough people logging in to down the freighter. Sometimes you're forced to use bigger & more expensive ships to make up for a lack of people. Anyway, we've already been over how cost is not a balancing factor.

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Dave Stark
#632 - 2013-09-01 12:14:49 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
5 cats > dps than 1 Talos

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.


A T2 Talos does 1650dps.

5 t1 fitted cats do 1500 dps and cost 10 million isk.


once again, you're wrong.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#633 - 2013-09-01 12:21:46 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.

If you're only getting 300 DPS from a meta 0 fitted Catalyst, I feel bad for you.



lol stop being wrong so much. That's a t1 nuetron blaster cat firing antimatter with all low slots filled with t1 magstabs lol with all level 5 skills. How do you suppose that be increased? Magic?

[Catalyst, meta gank]

8x Light Neutron Blaster I (Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S)

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Sensor Booster 1 (Scan Resolution Script)

3x Linear Flux Stabilizer I

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

With my gank alts skills (which aren't all V) 354.5 DPS before overheat 407.6 with overheat. Learn to gank, and learn to fit. Even replacing the meta 2 Magstabs with meta 0's it still pushes > 360 DPS overheated.

T1.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#634 - 2013-09-01 12:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

[Catalyst, meta gank]

8x Light Neutron Blaster I (Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S)

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Sensor Booster I (Scan Resolution Script)

3x Linear Flux Stabilizer I

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

With my gank alts skills (which aren't all V) 354.5 DPS before overheat 407.6 with overheat. Learn to gank, and learn to fit. Even replacing the meta 2 Magstabs with meta 0's it still pushes around 360 DPS overheated.

T1.


How is that not T1? Do you see any T2 modules fitted?

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Dave Stark
#635 - 2013-09-01 12:24:41 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
How is that not T1? Do you see any T2 modules fitted?


did you really expect anything less from them? really?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#636 - 2013-09-01 12:27:27 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
5 cats > dps than 1 Talos

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.


A T2 Talos does 1650dps.

5 t1 fitted cats do 1500 dps and cost 10 million isk.


The Talos was there because we most likely didn't have enough people logging in to down the freighter. Sometimes you're forced to use bigger & more expensive ships to make up for a lack of people. Anyway, we've already been over how cost is not a balancing factor.

And we proved that it is a balancing factor when it comes to ganking. If its too expansive to use to gank, people won't use it to gank. When 5 catalysts cost 10 million and put out the dps of a attack battlecruiser for 8 times less the cost of the hull, that doesn't encourage ganking. Of course it does.

Increasing EHP on a freighter to 10 million EHP (example only, not a suggestion) won't reduce the numbers of freighters being ganked? Of course it will. Reducing freighter EHP to 10k EHP (just another example) won't increase the number of freighters being ganked. Of course it will. It would also reduce the number of freighters being used.

Thats all part of balance in an MMO.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Mallak Azaria
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Caldari State
#637 - 2013-09-01 12:27:33 UTC
T1 modules are not T1 modules ~A guy who stopped playing for 3 years & decided everything was wrong when he returned.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#638 - 2013-09-01 12:30:21 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
5 cats > dps than 1 Talos

Edit: Before you argue with me 1 t1 fitted cat = 300 dps. 1 T2 fitted Talos is 1000dps. I'll let you do the rest of the math.


A T2 Talos does 1650dps.

5 t1 fitted cats do 1500 dps and cost 10 million isk.


The Talos was there because we most likely didn't have enough people logging in to down the freighter. Sometimes you're forced to use bigger & more expensive ships to make up for a lack of people. Anyway, we've already been over how cost is not a balancing factor.

And we proved that it is a balancing factor when it comes to ganking. If its too expansive to use to gank, people won't use it to gank. When 5 catalysts cost 10 million and put out the dps of a attack battlecruiser for 8 times less the cost of the hull, that doesn't encourage ganking. Of course it does.

Increasing EHP on a freighter to 10 million EHP (example only, not a suggestion) won't reduce the numbers of freighters being ganked? Of course it will. Reducing freighter EHP to 10k EHP (just another example) won't increase the number of freighters being ganked. Of course it will. It would also reduce the number of freighters being used.

Thats all part of balance in an MMO.


If T1 cats being so effective encourages the ganking of freighters & is the cash cow that you seem to believe it is, then why aren't more people doing it?

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Dave Stark
#639 - 2013-09-01 12:30:47 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

And we proved that it is a balancing factor when it comes to ganking. If its too expansive to use to gank, people won't use it to gank. When 5 catalysts cost 10 million and put out the dps of a attack battlecruiser for 8 times less the cost of the hull, that doesn't encourage ganking. Of course it does.

Increasing EHP on a freighter to 10 million EHP (example only, not a suggestion) won't reduce the numbers of freighters being ganked? Of course it will. Reducing freighter EHP to 10k EHP (just another example) won't increase the number of freighters being ganked. Of course it will. It would also reduce the number of freighters being used.

Thats all part of balance in an MMO.


no, cost has never been a balancing factor. stop pretending it is.

the expense involved in a gank is irrelevant; as we've all pointed out repeatedly.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#640 - 2013-09-01 12:34:29 UTC
If cost was a balancing factor then we would have isk tanking. With isk tanking the richest people in the game would be able to pack the most expensive mods on to their ships & know that the poorer people would never be able to blow them up. This would destroy the balance of the game & is a terrible idea despite the preaching of the likes of people like Ripard Teg.

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