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Can WIS be a real game experience ? ... Maybe .. If only ...
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Solhild
Doomheim
#21 - 2011-11-13 20:32:28 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
White Carnation wrote:
BugraT WarheaD wrote:
I hope CCP could continue to develop every part of the game, WiS, FiS, WH, Incursion, FW, etc.


Fair enough, and as a dedicated carebear I had similar hopes.
But, as has been said above, 99% of Eve's player-base do not want WiS in any way shape or form. To ignore this would be commercial suicide.....


Stop right there. That is total bull**** and you know it.

This thread is about sharing ideas of what would make WiS usefull and entertaining.
If you dont have anything to add besides you hate of growth and change, dont bother
posting please, not that I will notice anyhow, I have started blocking all the WiS haters,
this whole 99% I hate 'sapce barbies" BS is getting way too old. You may have thought
it was funny/cute at first, but now you are all just making asses of yourselfs.


I'd like my sub to keep me in a growing and evolving EVE universe, ships & avatars both. Just hope they keep it all integrated.

Imagine working through clues in a talocan relic on a world that ends up activating a device to give beneficial system wide effects etc.

If EVE was to narrow its scope a spreadsheet 0.0 fleet game only then my sub & PLEX money would go elsewhere.

CCP - stick to the big picture, keep learning etc. Good Luck Big smile
Ardamalis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-11-13 20:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ardamalis
I love your ideas OP. The idea of a capsuleer carrying a smartphone or an Ipad-like device in a station is an excellent compromise between functionality, look, style, and ease of use. This idea needs to be brought out to the public more.

I can imagine it now: You are playing space poker with someone. As you play, you recieve a IM from one your friends. A notification box on the bottom of the screen shows up for a few seconds. This is the Eve Online version of twitter. The text in the small box reads "Corp Op, 1 hour from now bro." You then hit the keyboard shortcut to access your handheld tablet. As the tablet comes into view, from a menu of options you select "Contact Dock Manager." All of a sudden a holographic rendering of your ship appears on the tablet screen. You cycle through a tab and select your mining barge, open the fitting, and make some changes. The dock manager then informs you via ingame EVE Twitter that the ship will be ready and fitted as the screen closes. You then put the tablet away and go back to playing space poker.

This WIS UI on a handheld tablet has the potential to be just as fast as the traditional UI but with additional ease of use and navigation.
Leemi Sobo
#23 - 2011-11-13 20:49:10 UTC
One thing that has disapointed me is the missing action for this bed in my prison. At least there could be a 'log out'/'quit'-action on it Roll

as workaround for the UI-inconsitency i just close the stationpanel as soon as i leave my pod

For the insurance stuff i don't even want a WiS UI. If i leave my pod " I'm just an easy replaceable, carbon based peace of meat" without access to billions in assets/ships. To have access to this i can easy enter my hangar ^.^"


Angeliena wrote:
The 99%ers have spoken. We have had "Occupy Jita" CCP has heard our voice

So if there were a statue inside the Jita 4-4 Station where all the WiS-NotHaters could meet and shoot this stature, what would you say, how many would it be? ^.^"

BugraT WarheaD wrote:
I hope CCP could continue to develop every part of the game, WiS, FiS, WH, Incursion, FW, etc.

+1
Solhild
Doomheim
#24 - 2011-11-13 20:49:15 UTC
Ardamalis wrote:
I love your ideas OP. The idea of a capsuleer carrying a smartphone or an Ipad-like device in a station is an excellent compromise between functionality, look, style, and ease of use. This idea needs to be brought out to the public more.

I can imagine it now: You are playing space poker with someone. As you play, you recieve a IM from one your friends. A notification box on the bottom of the screen shows up for a few seconds. This is the Eve Online version of twitter. The text in the small box reads "Corp Op, 1 hour from now bro." You then hit the keyboard shortcut to access your handheld tablet. As the tablet comes into view, from a menu of options you select "Contact Dock Manager." All of a sudden a holographic rendering of your ship appears on the tablet screen. You cycle through a tab and select your mining barge, open the fitting, and make some changes, the dock master then informs you via text that the ship will be ready and fitted. You then put the tablet away and go back to playing space poker.

This WIS UI on a handheld tablet has the potential to be just as fast as the traditional UI but with additional ease of use and navigation.


Additional input device, replicate the game tablet UI on a real tablet or 2nd screen?

Good thread OP, thx
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#25 - 2011-11-13 21:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: XIRUSPHERE
Ideas were shared for 6 years, many greater than these and many far worse. Concepts were peddled and abandoned and EVE online saw 18 months of the worst flat stagnation in it's history. After those 6 years we were given an abortion of code and concepts that is nothing less than an utter embarrassment to any gaming company.

You can fantasize all you want but we have all the cold hard truths we need about what a complete waste of time, money, and talent WIS and Incarna were to EVE online, it resulted in 20% of the workforce being terminated and still has the very real potential to still make this game go **** up because of this horrible adventure.

So please take your love of WIS, incarna, your foolish ideas that have as much chance as seeing the light of day as I do of winning the lottery and DIAF (love and ideas not people, im talking to you navigator). The damage has already been done and before there is even the slightest inclination to return to WIS this game needs to be fixed and actually be in a position to support it's development and that's not happening for a long long time.

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#26 - 2011-11-13 21:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
I remember the Playstation Home has a similar thing going when it comes to interface devices. Each avatar comes with a portable device that sort of resembles a smartphone of sorts which allows players to view a wide range of things from news to seeing what to buy at the local market. That could actually be useful for Incarna. Personally, I prefer a tablet device with my avatar rather than a portable holographic projector phone.

But overall, it could serve as a reasonable alternative to having to Alt-F9 between the scenery and the UI.

EDIT:


XIRUSPHERE wrote:
before there is even the slightest inclination to return to WIS this game needs to be fixed and actually be in a position to support it's development and that's not happening for a long long time.


We'll see what the winter expansion brings in that regard. If things go according to what CCP now claims to do, we could see a huge list of issues fixed with FiS in about 2-3 expansions (I'm just guessing here). My biggest pet peeves for now are the re-balance of the hybrids and the elimination of the RoF penalty for dessies.

But at the same time, there needs to be some attention given to Incarna in the mean time. Or at least that's what I personally believe. If you don't want CCP to focus on WiS, then that's your opinion.

Adapt or Die
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#27 - 2011-11-13 21:30:12 UTC
wasnt it like 20% found WiS agreeable and majority of the newest players dont mind wis?

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#28 - 2011-11-13 21:47:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
We, the 99%'ers of EVE do NOT want to see WiS developed at the expense of FiS FULL STOP!


Entirely correct. This was CCP's biggest screw up... that being the development of WIS at the expense of the fundamental FIS portion of the game.

However a large percentage of people would like to see WIS content iterated on in meaningful ways with a REASONABLE portion of dev resources devoted to it.

At this point in time, those resources would and should be minimal. They have some catching up to do on the FIS front, and the majority of what needs to be done at this point in time for WIS content needs to be planning... lots and lots of planning.

There are only a few developers at CCP with the skills necessary to do this type of concept work, and I think few would begrudge them for spending a portion of their time coming up with an overall plan for WIS content that is:

Engaging and fun.
Has a purpose that makes sense for an Avatar to do instead of a person sitting in their ship.
Enhances and compliments FIS content.
Forms a solid link with upcoming DUST/EVE cross over content.
Running smoothly and efficiently BEFORE release.
Emphasizes multi-player interactions and environments.
Is fully integrated with the current EVE industrial structure.

So yes, few people want WIS development to curtail FIS development again... and even fewer want it to be pursued without a solid plan for it's implementation and content to be in place ahead of time.

But many would be in favor of a more common sense approach instead of totally abandoning the concept.

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BugraT WarheaD
#29 - 2011-11-13 22:14:51 UTC
Ardamalis wrote:
You are playing space poker with someone. As you play, you recieve a IM from one your friends. A notification box on the bottom of the screen shows up for a few seconds. This is the Eve Online version of twitter. The text in the small box reads "Corp Op, 1 hour from now bro." You then hit the keyboard shortcut to access your handheld tablet. As the tablet comes into view, from a menu of options you select "Contact Dock Manager." All of a sudden a holographic rendering of your ship appears on the tablet screen. You cycle through a tab and select your mining barge, open the fitting, and make some changes. The dock manager then informs you via ingame EVE Twitter that the ship will be ready and fitted as the screen closes. You then put the tablet away and go back to playing space poker.


Man ... You have sublimated my idea Lol

One thing is also a shame. Being forced to reenter the Character Creator just to leave a jacket is quite a pain in the a**. I hope CCP will work on that to ... The launch of Incarna for now reminds me (sadly) UrU - Ages Beyond Myst (great game btw) ... Hope it will not end like it.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#30 - 2011-11-13 22:26:15 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
wasnt it like 20% found WiS agreeable and majority of the newest players dont mind wis?


Perhaps. But I'm not sure if that's an accurate number without some data to base it on.

Adapt or Die
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-11-13 23:57:16 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
wasnt it like 20% found WiS agreeable and majority of the newest players dont mind wis?


Perhaps. But I'm not sure if that's an accurate number without some data to base it on.

No less accurate than "99%", I'd guess..... :)
BugraT WarheaD
#32 - 2011-11-14 08:07:04 UTC
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
wasnt it like 20% found WiS agreeable and majority of the newest players dont mind wis?


Perhaps. But I'm not sure if that's an accurate number without some data to base it on.

No less accurate than "99%", I'd guess..... :)

I think that there's no real statistic on here Lol
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2011-11-14 10:45:52 UTC
CCP has lots of good ideas and good potential for WiS. Once they get rid of NeX/Aurum influence to WiS they will be free to implement alot of the ideas they had before. With the Nex/Aurum everything you do will be based on what the system can provide and not what the market/players can provide.

If they remove the straightjacket they imposed on WiS they can make it a usefull, fun and active element in the sandbox where many things like manufactring, research, etc can be "optimised" by players. Just like any other MMO that has that kind of stuff. (jewellery making = implant production, crafting=research/production/repair/creation of clothing).

Linked witht he minerals out of space and the resources from PI those station that have acces to the best mix of planets/corps/minerals/transportation would grow into hubs of activity.

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Lord Wamphyri
Starside Lost
#34 - 2011-11-14 11:25:55 UTC
It's all very easy to throw around figures like '99%' but you have to remember that a lot of players never use the forums. Granted there were a lot of people who so say unsubbed and/or shot the jita statue but how many more just went about their daily business?

I'm one of those who is eagerly awaiting WiS. Even with the return of Ship Spinning I've left my CQ active. That's not to say I want development on FiS to stop in favour of WiS, I don't - even though FiS has been the main focus for the majority of EVE's lifetime, but that's not the point here.

Sometimes you want to just kick back and relax while still being part of the EVE universe. For me at the moment that means sitting in station with chat windows open. Hopefully when WiS is expanded upon this will open up a whole new level of interaction.

Personally I'd love to see things like mini games available on a station promenade, like the holographic biplane game in the first Star Trek movie, or maybe the simulator idea in Wing Commander. I know a variant of one game - the name escapes me - was in the first ambulation demo. (The one involving capturing squares)

There is so much potential in WiS.

It's not about not liking the spaceship part of EVE, it's about being immersed in the complete SciFi simulator that has always been the goal of CCP. WiS is just another step in this direction. It's very easy to throw around tired memes about going to other games but they're not EVE.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-11-14 13:15:52 UTC
Angeliena wrote:
We, the 99%'ers of EVE do NOT want to see WiS developed at the expense of FiS FULL STOP!

I have had enough of the 1%'ers demanding EVE devs focus away from FiS and core game mechanic improvements towards building unimportant features:

Space Pets are not important

Space station homes are not important

Space station furniture is not important

Space Barbies are not important

The 99%ers have spoken. We have had "Occupy Jita"


First of all, speak for yourself. You're not the voice of the Eve community.

Secondly, it wasn't 99% of the Eve community. Nor was it 75%. Or even 50%. The percentage is closer to 20%, and that's a generous estimation. There was about 50 K players online and maybe 10 k max did the emo-rage protesting.

Thirdly, nobody is demanding Eve Dev's to focus away from FiS and core game mechanic improvements. But if you really want to talk about some unimportant features, there's a few in your list below.

Angeliena wrote:
CCP has heard our voice and has now focused on bringing us good things like:

New session change timer tweaks,

New Tier 3 BC,

New T2 mods,

New POS fueling,

Hybrid balance,

Time dilation,

New ship fitting screen,

Return of ship spinning,

New ship skins,

Capital rebalance etc.


These are the important things and thanks to the voice of the 99%'ers CCP is now listening and is delivering up the goods.

To the 1%'er "Space Barbie" lovers who want CCP devs to waste their time on WiS, We Say NO.

If you can not live without space housing then leave EVE and go play Final Fantasy 15 or Ever Quest 1, 2, 3 and hang out with the other snark and Grumpkin lovers!


This message has been brought to you by the Abaddon WiS now campaign


As I said above, you don't speak for the Eve community and it wasn't 99%. More like 20% which just happens to be a very loud vocal minority.

All the 'Important' things you listed is not new content. Most of it is just 'Fixes' that should have been done years ago. The only 2 things in your list that could be considered 'New' would be the T3 Battlecruisers and ship skins. Unfortunately those still don't add any new game content.

Also there are no new T2 modules, T2 items are created by players through invention. There has been some hinting of missing Faction/Deadspace modules that are already in the item database being seeded into the game. Module icon graphics on the UI is whats being changed or rather reverted back to original. They will still show the enhanced graphics on the info box and preview as well as on the ships.

By the way, you forgot to add Engine Trails, Nebula graphics, Ship buffing / balancing to your list. I believe there's a few other things being implemented as well pertaining to Docking range, suicide ganking, FW, PI, etc.

In case you didn't realize this, CCP's new direction of 'focusing on what makes EVE great', is mostly about fixing, balancing and hopefully finishing existing game content. Mainly it's more like a facade, a temporary 'Placebo' to placate a loud vocal minority.

Anyway, I'm pleased to inform you that CCP's vision for Eve Online has always been from the very start to create a Science Fiction Virtual Reality Universe. FiS is only one aspect of that. WiS is another aspect of that. CCP has stated over and over, time and time again, that is their vision and the direction they are going with Eve Online.

Referencing WiS as 'Space Sims with Space Barbies' and stating that it doesn't belong in Eve Online denotes an immature closed minded viewpoint. With that being said, you've made your point. You don't like the idea of WiS which is fine. Instead of trying to derail this thread, just turn off station environment and go fly spaceships.

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BugraT WarheaD
#36 - 2011-11-14 16:46:52 UTC
I'm sure i've said that arguing for pro or con isn't the subject ^^
BugraT WarheaD
#37 - 2011-11-16 11:55:28 UTC
Sorry for Bumping this thread, but i'm thinking of something ... Is there anyone who knows if CCP told us if we're going to interact with Dust Marines through WiS ?
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#38 - 2011-11-16 12:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kietay Ayari
Personally I do not mind if they continue with WiS or scrap it because I will enjoy either more WiS content or FiS content, but I liked your post because of your typing style! ;D Everyone needs more smilies and less rude comebacks.

Keep up the good work capsuleer!

Ferox #1
BugraT WarheaD
#39 - 2011-11-16 16:43:01 UTC
It's certainly due to my way of french-thinking a text before writing it done ! I can't help it, to hard to think in english Blink

Thank Kietay, come visit my CQ one day Twisted
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-11-17 02:38:08 UTC
French... real French or French Canadian? >_> IT MATTERS

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