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Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#201 - 2011-11-13 18:49:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rer Eirikr
Temba Ronin wrote:
Signature party line of those ill-equipted to make an intelligent response but nonetheless feel compelled to say something they think is witty.


Dude, we get it, you're sick of Goon posts, but this is literally all you've been doing throughout this (past) page. Mittens is playing Skyrim, big whoop. Mittens doesn't like miners, News at 11.

Either post a question of relevance or stop dribbling on about crap that honestly doesn't matter. So far this thread has been pretty informative, let's try to keep it that way.
Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#202 - 2011-11-13 20:05:53 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
Solo Player wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:
... you are living down to the definition of the word Goon in these threads like an automaton spouting the absurd party line...


I'm certainly not a friend and supporter of the Mittani, but this is really getting tiring. There is a proper subforum dedicated to bashing the Goons and getting bashed back in turn, you know. This is not it, and neither is it the Assembly Hall.

The Mittani has in this thread been arrogant and mildly abusive a couple times, but it is his thread and it serves its purpuse, which I can respect. I'm not sure your denigration of anything that smells of Goons here really serves any purpose at all.

I have seen some good posts from you elsewhere, constructive thoughts on some issue or other. Things worth discussing. Why don't you keep it there?

BTW, sorry if I'm singling you out unfairly - but you do post alot...

Amazing that posting a definition of the word "Goon" is my "denigration of anything that smells of Goons", I did not select their name, i merely pointed out how some players have adopted it as their style of response in the forum threads. Any honest reader would be hard pressed to post a legitimate argument against either the content or the context of what i posted. Those readers with an axe to grind or brown nose points to earn are left with the argument of last resort available whenever the message is too powerful, ..... attack the messenger.

I expected such responses ..... because really ....... what else you got?

I understand completely if you are tired of reading, lots of players can't tolerate anything over a paragraph unless it's full of abbreviations. I'll try an accommodate those afflicted thusly in future posts. rotfl!

Also would you please direct me to some of the posts you have made chastising the goons and other like minded players for their constant and REAL denigration of "pubbies" and "carebears", names they feel free to attach to players that those players have not selected themselves, i'm sure you are consistent on this topic, right?

Or does your sensitivity begin an end with goons and their alts posting in this thread and many many others with the thinly veiled, short form, juvenile caliber insult of are you mad bro? Signature party line of those ill-equipted to make an intelligent response but nonetheless feel compelled to say something they think is witty.


Jesus, is that you?
Temba Ronin
#203 - 2011-11-13 20:19:04 UTC
Sentinel Eeex wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:
Solo Player wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:
... you are living down to the definition of the word Goon in these threads like an automaton spouting the absurd party line...


I'm certainly not a friend and supporter of the Mittani, but this is really getting tiring. There is a proper subforum dedicated to bashing the Goons and getting bashed back in turn, you know. This is not it, and neither is it the Assembly Hall.

The Mittani has in this thread been arrogant and mildly abusive a couple times, but it is his thread and it serves its purpuse, which I can respect. I'm not sure your denigration of anything that smells of Goons here really serves any purpose at all.

I have seen some good posts from you elsewhere, constructive thoughts on some issue or other. Things worth discussing. Why don't you keep it there?

BTW, sorry if I'm singling you out unfairly - but you do post alot...

Amazing that posting a definition of the word "Goon" is my "denigration of anything that smells of Goons", I did not select their name, i merely pointed out how some players have adopted it as their style of response in the forum threads. Any honest reader would be hard pressed to post a legitimate argument against either the content or the context of what i posted. Those readers with an axe to grind or brown nose points to earn are left with the argument of last resort available whenever the message is too powerful, ..... attack the messenger.

I expected such responses ..... because really ....... what else you got?

I understand completely if you are tired of reading, lots of players can't tolerate anything over a paragraph unless it's full of abbreviations. I'll try an accommodate those afflicted thusly in future posts. rotfl!

Also would you please direct me to some of the posts you have made chastising the goons and other like minded players for their constant and REAL denigration of "pubbies" and "carebears", names they feel free to attach to players that those players have not selected themselves, i'm sure you are consistent on this topic, right?

Or does your sensitivity begin an end with goons and their alts posting in this thread and many many others with the thinly veiled, short form, juvenile caliber insult of are you mad bro? Signature party line of those ill-equipted to make an intelligent response but nonetheless feel compelled to say something they think is witty.


Jesus, is that you?

Rotfl Lol

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#204 - 2011-11-13 20:57:41 UTC
Orakkus wrote:

My feeling on null-sec is that it is the overall driver of Eve Online in that most of the resources (or at least a large bulk of the resources), isk, and support are established to maintain empires there. What is your view on efforts to perhaps re-distributing that overall drive between low-sec and null-sec? If so, what would you like to see to make that happen once the null-sec sov issue is adequately dealt with?


I disagree with your basic assumption. Most of the resources, isk and population of the game are in hisec, though a large number of the 'hisec' population are the alts of wormholers, nullseccers, and lowsec types. One of the things that irks me about the game is that it's almost impossible to function in null/low/wspace without a supporting structure of hisec alts. I'd like to see the economies of null/low developed more such that the game revolves less around Jita, which is one of the primary focuses of the CSM6 'Farms and Fields' initiative.

In general, risk and reward should scale accordingly. Right now there is virtually no risk in hisec from missions and barely any in incursions, and they absolutely vomit forth reward. This is the fundamental imbalance of EVE; low and null should be buffed to a place where their rewards actually justify the risks.

Quote:
On an additional note: Incrusions has thus far been widely accepted as a quality addition to Eve Online, is CCP looking to do something similar again, perhaps with other pirate groups?


I can't speak to what CCP wants to do (NDA), however I'm a big fan of the Incursion mechanic as it promotes socialization and human interaction, where mindless solo mission-running does not.

~hi~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#205 - 2011-11-13 21:00:35 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
You wouldn't know me, although I've flown with you on occasion in the north. My problem with eve currently is that ... mining is dead.


I snipped a lot of words. The death of mining outside of hisec is correlated with the implementation of the Drone Regions, where gun-mining spewed an endless supply of high-end minerals into the economy.

The simple fix, which I advocate, is that drones should have bounties like all other rats and stop dropping alloys. Voila: mining for high-ends again has a purpose.

~hi~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#206 - 2011-11-13 21:06:48 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
I wonder what lessons of gameplay wisdom Mittens will take back from Skyrim to be applied to EVE.

I'd imagine there's some stuff to be said for solo player content after all ;)


I've always wished that EVE could have some engaging solo PvE, but I just don't think CCP has it in them to pull it off. Even something arcade-like, such as a fighter going to a planet or inside of an asteroid (a la Descent) to blow up things would be much more entertaining than the 'warp in, ctrl-click target, hit f1' gameplay that much of EVE solo PvE boils down to.

The EVE PvE experience is mostly antiseptic and banal, rather than visceral and dynamic. The physical mechanics (ctrl click, f1) are much the same in PvP, but the addition of and unpredictability of humans (plus the hate and rage) adds the missing viscerality. Similarly, group PvE from Incursions uses human interaction to ascend past the banality.

The novelty of solo exploration PvE is the 'seeking' dynamic that's lacking in missions, where you still have to hunt down complexes and run them, but once you find the complex it's back to ctrl-click, f1, yawn. So I think the best hope we have is more exploration content/buffs, which is something CSM6 has pushed for and gotten a fair amount of traction on.

~hi~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#207 - 2011-11-13 21:10:04 UTC
Princess Cellestia wrote:
Removing minerals from drones would be a very bad idea. Mining isnt dead because of the drone regions, only someone who has never mined in null would say this, mining is dead because its impossible to stay alive. Even with decent tank an entire mining fleet can be wiped out by 3-4 stealth bombers. You cant stay alive period. And when your mining ship is 200 mil for the hull alone, welp you're pretty ****** there. If you could keep your ship alive you could make bank in null, problem is once that industry index hits 1, you're guaranteed to have 3 or 4 twenty four hour cloaky camper jackasses in system just waiting for you. So no, mining will NEVER come back in null. Unless something is done to make null mining defensible in some way, only the completely insane, or the completely ******** will mine. And no one will buy it anyway because its easier to import everything. Even when mining was going full swing i could only get maybe 25% of the minerals I needed for subcap production, I dont think there's an alliance in existance that could mine enough minerals for a titan in a reasonable time. Last time I did the math it would take 3-4 years for one alliance to mine a titan in null. Just leave things how they are. You wanna mine, go to highsec or **** around in low. Otherwise, switch to industry or get your ass in a combat ship and get the hell in fleet.

Mittens, for the love of god, don't listen to any of these fucktards on this forum when it comes to industry. Please please please please. I have NEVER ONCE seen anything from any of these idiots that makes me think that they have ever done any real mining, built a ship, even looked into cap building, mined ice, researched a bp, or anything else mining or industry related. Its just the same **** of putting down any and every ******** thought that comes into their heads while not knowing a thing about what theyre talking about.


You're wrong.

I mined my ass off in 2005/2006 in Syndicate when the Swarm lived and died based on the prices of Zydrine, and Crokite was valuable enough that ops would be formed and defenses positioned to ensure that mining ops occured. The dynamic was interesting and dangerous, yet profitable enough that we'd do it despite the risk of being killed.

You're also wrong because you don't understand the concept of guards. Stealth bombers? Hurricane, please. Crying about AFK cloakers?

Nullsec requires profit to make mining worthwhile, and it should be dangerous enough to inspire people to run mining ops with guards. If you mine solo and whine about risk of being popped, that's because you're Doing It Wrong.

~hi~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#208 - 2011-11-13 21:13:17 UTC
Ashen Spiral wrote:
Ser Mittens,

What is your opinion of the attribute system? Some suggested changes include removing the ability to remap, removing attributes from skills altogether, or changing the effects of attributes to something more interesting. Do you favor any of these ideas in particular? Has there been any discussion regarding attributes between CSM6 and CCP? If not, would you be willing to bring it up as a future topic?

Relevant post from Jester's Trek: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/10/death-to-attributes.html


I'd kind of like to see Learning Implants vanish. A lot of people avoid PvP on account of them. "Oh, I won't go on this op, my jump clone is on a timer and I'm in my Learning clone."

I think the attribute system vanishing entirely is something we'd never see, but removing learning boosts from implants (such that they become combat-only enhancements) might be a possibility.

However, this isn't really a major priority for me. I might bring it over beer in Islenskibarinn, but it's not going to be a summit topic and something I expend vast amounts of political capital on, like I have on supercaps.

~hi~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#209 - 2011-11-13 21:15:44 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
Mr. Chairman you have said two things that fall like a ton of bricks upon your credibility, #1 goons don't mine, #2 there are no mining bots in goon sov systems. These are easy statements for you to make because anyone trying to prove how false your statements are has a gauntlet of deadly systems to traverse to witness it. So your amazingly absurd statements stood unchallenged, until now.

You are the CSM Chairman, ask CCP to no longer respawn asteroid belts in Goon Sov systems with ores that can be mined keep the belts for ratting only. This should make your constituents jump with joy because none of them mine right? If you are unwilling to do this then please stop spinning the yarn that goons don't mine it's laughable. Put up or shut up.


You went from having an interesting idea about hijacking to mewling about goons. You also don't know jack about nullsec, goons, or nullsec mining. vOv

While you've been posting up a storm about how I'm 'Tearful', I've been selling supercaps - three in the last couple of days, between Skyrim bouts.

Would you like to buy one?

~hi~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#210 - 2011-11-13 21:17:37 UTC
alright, back to FUS RO DAH~

~hi~
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#211 - 2011-11-13 23:23:38 UTC
Mittens, I have a question

How can you claim, in good faith and with a straight face, to be a "sadist" when it's evident that even accepting the job requires a level of masochism that would raise eyebrows in the strictest of Parisien maison publiques?





(I guess what I'm asking is, did you remember to pick a safe word?)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#212 - 2011-11-14 01:12:20 UTC
First of all, The Mittani, I would like to thank you for your service.

The Mittani, most Eve players are in agreement that your term as Chairman of the CSM has been tremendously successful, and nearly all observers believe that you will coast to reelection, should you be willing to serve again. The same attitude prevails within the CCP team, according to a source familiar with the situation. As this individual told me, "The Mittani, simply by virtue of his being in office, greatly enhances the stature and credibility of the CSM."

In light of these facts, I would like you to answer the following:

How do you account for your effectiveness and popularity, and why do you think your message resonates with so many voters across the spectrum of the Eve community?

Thank you for your time.

MinerBumping.com
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#213 - 2011-11-14 01:54:49 UTC
Hello Mittens

What is Your opinion on new Tier 3 BC's?

Do You think they have a chance of re-balancing large null-fleets composition? i.e. less BS, more T3/other small stuff to fight tier3 BC?

Or will they be ignored in large fleet fights, and used just for cheap hi-sec ganking?

Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#214 - 2011-11-14 14:37:04 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
The idea of making nullsec more independent from Jita, and a place for civilizations to grow rather than merely flags on the map fueled by endless jump freighters from Empire is something we discussed at great length in May, as is in the May Summit minutes. This also ties into the CSM6 'Farms and Fields' discussions.

Isn't your dependance on Jita self-inflicted?
You can either be independant or economical, it is completely up to you.
After colonizing a new land that has lots of riches but no conventional oil sources, you have to decide whether you want to do the economic thing, that is, exporting stuff you have and importing oil. Or be independant and inefficiently create oil from coal.
In Eve terms that is:
- Sell your ABCs, moongoo etc. to Empire dwellers and buy Veldspar
or:
- Mine Veldspar yourself

I think it is a bit presumptuous to ask for 'super veldspar' or other advantages, seeing how you already have the most profitable ressources at your hands.

Also, regarding the trade-hubs in HiSec...
I thought in 0.0 everything is the players making. Alliance have no right to complain about a lack of a 0.0 market hub, if they dont' set one up, set up some Trade charta, secure the trade routes and get the cash flowing. If they don't do that and rather buy in Jita, apparently it's not worth it to them.

But thats just my opionion, beeing a rather passive observer of all this.
Grozdan Boyadijev
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#215 - 2011-11-14 15:46:24 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
The idea of making nullsec more independent from Jita, and a place for civilizations to grow rather than merely flags on the map fueled by endless jump freighters from Empire is something we discussed at great length in May, as is in the May Summit minutes. This also ties into the CSM6 'Farms and Fields' discussions.

Isn't your dependance on Jita self-inflicted?
You can either be independant or economical, it is completely up to you.
After colonizing a new land that has lots of riches but no conventional oil sources, you have to decide whether you want to do the economic thing, that is, exporting stuff you have and importing oil. Or be independant and inefficiently create oil from coal.
In Eve terms that is:
- Sell your ABCs, moongoo etc. to Empire dwellers and buy Veldspar
or:
- Mine Veldspar yourself

I think it is a bit presumptuous to ask for 'super veldspar' or other advantages, seeing how you already have the most profitable ressources at your hands.

Also, regarding the trade-hubs in HiSec...
I thought in 0.0 everything is the players making. Alliance have no right to complain about a lack of a 0.0 market hub, if they dont' set one up, set up some Trade charta, secure the trade routes and get the cash flowing. If they don't do that and rather buy in Jita, apparently it's not worth it to them.

But thats just my opionion, beeing a rather passive observer of all this.


From my experience, the issue is that the disadvantages to being indepent are so astronomical in comparison to being economic, to use your terms.

Due to the fact that mineral prices are extremely depressed (due mostly to a combination of bot and gun-mining), it's infinitely cheaper to pay the cost of importing large quantities of minerals for any production in null as opposed to actually mining. Also, since BPOs are only seeded in Empire space, you're reliant on importing BPOs or BPCs in the first place in order to produce. And with prices in Jita being as cutthroat as they are, the margins on importing most highly used items (ammo, mostly) are as good or better than producing them yourselves, and you have the benefit of getting them now as opposed to having to wait on your own production to finish, and you didn't even have to invest any SP in Industry skills to do it.

As it is, there's basically no reason to do any T1 production in null, and most T2 production is only cost effective at relatively large-scale levels.
Trusty Jutspezic
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#216 - 2011-11-14 16:16:19 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:

Isn't your dependance on Jita self-inflicted?
You can either be independant or economical, it is completely up to you.

This is a false dichotomy. In nullsec you can either be economical or you can be driven out by alliances that are.
Sephiroth Clone VII
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#217 - 2011-11-14 23:37:53 UTC
What are your thoughts on the tier system of ships. Will teir 3 BC's outcompeate the tier 2's are replace them, making BC's even tougher and more like battleships.

I and others think the tier system should be eliminated entirely, and replaced with ships that are closer to the same power but in different areas and specializations.
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#218 - 2011-11-15 00:35:40 UTC
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:
What are your thoughts on the tier system of ships. Will teir 3 BC's outcompeate the tier 2's are replace them, making BC's even tougher and more like battleships.

I and others think the tier system should be eliminated entirely, and replaced with ships that are closer to the same power but in different areas and specializations.


Lol Tier 3 BC's are way less tough than tier 2. They are glass canons, only usable against enemies that are unable to hit them (BS and bigger)

Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2011-11-15 04:21:54 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:
What are your thoughts on the tier system of ships. Will teir 3 BC's outcompeate the tier 2's are replace them, making BC's even tougher and more like battleships.

I and others think the tier system should be eliminated entirely, and replaced with ships that are closer to the same power but in different areas and specializations.


Lol Tier 3 BC's are way less tough than tier 2. They are glass canons, only usable against enemies that are unable to hit them (BS and bigger)



NO! You mean they really are just Gank ships? :) --> hrm, CCP does seem to love Gankers, don't they?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2011-11-15 07:16:03 UTC
Death to all supercaps.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat