Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I've already answered this.

No you didn't.

You mean the part where I said you get suspect for web use?

Suspect, what I said the first time, what I said this time. Criminal? Like you implied? No, I said suspect.

Freighter doesn't take 'very long' to warp when you dual web. It warps immediately. A frigate can beat the freighter to the next gate but can't jump through. It sits there with a suspect timer. Do it 15 or 20 jumps.

And don't forget to ignore the part about remote repair being a comedy side show because the ship is hull tanked. Ignore the fact that you can't Agi stack a freighter because it has no cap skills and ignore the fact that the web doesn't work if the ship gets bumped. You still do a bump spool down.

You are full of it up to your ears and you know it. Freighters are pinata's on a stick. You like them that way and you want them to stay that way. You don't want them balanced for the new Alpha strike ability of your throw away tier 3 BC's. You like cow kills. You don't want people flying freighters to have a snowballs chance in hell.

We done?

Troll away, troll boy.
Anyone who actually flew a freighter knows I am right.

you barfing out the same failed illegitimacy claims doesn't change that.

So you keep saying and yet I know better.

And you can't even provide examples where I am incorrect.

In-corp friends/alts don't get suspect status for webbing. Having an out-of-corp friend/alt "duel" your freighter and web it will not incur a suspect timer.


Because the freighter warps slow the aggression timer on the webber will usually be half up or expired by the time the freighter arrives. And even if it doesn't, the freighter aligns slow enough it is actually worth holding cloak until the webber jumps through.


The point of remote repping a freighter isn't to keep its armor HP at full... it's to stall the gank long enough for CONCORD to arrive.
Most ganks that aren't done for "lols" operate on razor-thin DPS margins with some "extra" for "just in case"... so if you can negate some of that incoming damage the freighter will usually survive.


Interesting fact... ganking freighters is more expensive than it ever has been.

In the "old days" (before Tier 3 BCs) people used artillery-fit Tempests. A Tempest hull around those times sold for a little more than what Teir 3s cost now. Also note that during this time people could still get insurance for ships they suicided... which meant that failing a gank resulted in minimal economic loss for the gankers.
And the loot-drop mechanics haven't changed. There is a ~50/50 chance that a particular item will drop upon ship destruction. This has to be factored in when ganking for purely economic reasons.


And again... adding slots to freighters would require that the ship be nerfed in various stats to compensate. Want more low-slots? Have to remove some cargo-hold, hull, speed, agility, and armor. Mid-slots? Some shields and speed have to be removed.
Why do this? Because people have this nasty tendency to min/max and produce off-the-wall setups that would result in "dumb" things (like capitals being moved to high-sec, setups that require an impossibly high number of people to crack, freighters that can insta-warp themselves, rainbow ponies, etc).

It's unfair because I disagree with you, and I am by definition always right therefore you are wrong for even daring to type some words on the Internet that disagree with me. Mods!

Anyone joining in at this point.

- Can't remote repair a freighter. Hull tank and end of cycle repairs nullify it
- Agi stacks on a freighter make no appreciable difference, don't waste your time
- Stasis webbifiers work but the web frigate gets a countdown and can't jump so you need to hold on each gate and wait for them to come though
- Stasis Webbifiers don't work when the freighter gets bumped. It needs to spool down and re-align before it can warp and takes longer than a squad needs to pop it
- Giving a freighter rigs and a low slot could be done by making packed size of Carriers and Dreadnaughts 3X what they are now. It won't impact mechanics, it was done on several items for various reasons.


But flapjaw above says I am wrong. Feel free to test these in test server.

The original post you made said that in-corp webbing gives a suspect timer, which anyone with a passing understanding of highsec mechanics would know is a lie.

It sounds to me like your issue is not so much with your inability to keep your freighter alive (my condolences), but with your dislike for the ISBoxer program and people who run multiple accounts of EVE Online. That is something you are going to have to get over. Realize that even if it wasn't someone with ISBoxer, people could easily be that organized: within my own alliance, there are fleets of people out and about suicide ganking people every day with the kind of coordination you describe. While your particular encounter may have been one guy commanding many clients, the end result is the same: a bunch of ships attack yours and you lose your ship. This is an intended game mechanic. You need to find ways to deal with it.

Though it does seem odd that Freighters and Jump Freighters are the only ships with no fitting slots.

In corp, In fleet and I was given a suspect timer. Keep up the strawman arguments though. No worries, in case you haven't noticed I bait easy on the forums. I'm sure if you work really hard like a good little Shapiro forum warrior you will get me on some other bullshit technicality.