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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#441 - 2013-08-31 18:48:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
S Byerley wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
In your case, the joke is that you hold the belief that your freighter needs to be full in order to leave station. If it gets ganked being full, don't fill it.


But a ship with a massive cargo hold that you can't use is badly designed? and CCP is looking to rework badly designed ships? I even cited reducing the cargo hold as a valid approach.

In any case, I'm off for now. Feel free to prattle on about how you deserve 167m/hr for high sec catalyst ganking and how everyone who disagrees is ignorant or a butt hurt Freighter pilot.

Why should CCP be forced to change a ship because of player stupidity or greed? We've already experienced that with the barge and exhumer buff, a lot of the players that use them are still stupid enough to not fit a tank, mine afk and fit cargo expanders when the Ore bay isn't affected by them.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#442 - 2013-08-31 18:49:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Domanique Altares
S Byerley wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
In your case, the joke is that you hold the belief that your freighter needs to be full in order to leave station. If it gets ganked being full, don't fill it.


But a ship with a massive cargo hold that you can't use is badly designed? and CCP is looking to rework badly designed ships? I even cited reducing the cargo hold as a valid approach.

In any case, I'm off for now. Feel free to prattle on about how you deserve 167m/hr for high sec catalyst ganking and how everyone who disagrees is ignorant or a butt hurt Freighter pilot.


You can use it; no one says that you can't. But the solution to the problem of getting ganked for carrying too much stuff is to not carry so much stuff.

I'll address your final points out of order: The fact that you are butthurt and ignorant isn't something that needs be prattled on about. You've proven it repeatedly in this thread. Secondly, no ganker deserves 167m/hr for ganking freighters. Rather, the ingorant freighter pilot who turns his ship into a loot buffet, and makes no plans for contingencies, doesn't deserve to keep his cargo.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#443 - 2013-08-31 18:52:38 UTC
Conclusion:

Obviously, if i walk through the bronx in an expensive armani suite,
with a golden rolex on my wrist for everybody to see ...

... then it's totally not my fault when i get killed for that.


I know, real life analogies are bad ... but this one fits almost every time.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#444 - 2013-08-31 18:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Domanique Altares wrote:
snip Rather, the ingorant freighter pilot who turns his ship into a loot buffet, and makes no plans for contingencies, doesn't deserve to keep his cargo.
Unlike Matari Akiga, who strikes me as the sort of freighter pilot who plans ahead, takes steps to mitigate risks and is generally the sort of player who will go far.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#445 - 2013-08-31 18:54:25 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Tippia wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
baltec claimed that 15+ people made 60b in one day... then claimed that figure matched up with your 2m/hour/person.
No. He claimed that one guy with an undisclosed number of alts made 60bn in a day, and that after the loot from a gank has been split 15 ways, it'll be less per hour than what each of those characters made.


Best part is that I never said those words. I gave numbers on what someone with a personal fleet made shooting NPCs
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#446 - 2013-08-31 18:56:18 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
snip Rather, the ingorant freighter pilot who turns his ship into a loot buffet, and makes no plans for contingencies, doesn't deserve to keep his cargo.
Unlike Matari Akiga, who strikes me as the sort of freighter pilot who plans ahead, takes steps to mitigate risks and is generally the sort of player who will go far.


If they all operated that way, you would never see these silly threads, and Bat Country would have to find something else to do for the additional hour or so they would gain everyday from not ganking a freighter every 20 minutes.
Matari Akiga
Doomheim
#447 - 2013-08-31 19:00:57 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
In your case, the joke is that you hold the belief that your freighter needs to be full in order to leave station. If it gets ganked being full, don't fill it.


But a ship with a massive cargo hold that you can't use is badly designed? and CCP is looking to rework badly designed ships? I even cited reducing the cargo hold as a valid approach.

In any case, I'm off for now. Feel free to prattle on about how you deserve 167m/hr for high sec catalyst ganking and how everyone who disagrees is ignorant or a butt hurt Freighter pilot.


I guess I am the butt hurt freighter pilot who has been offering advice to avoid getting ganked that has served me well for years, I wont complain my hauling is done not for my profit but for the benefit of my alliance mates and my PVP alt paid for the freighter (singular because I have never lost it).

Player actions change if you create an opportunity for someone to make isk at your expense they will, evolve with the times or lose your ship your choice.

P.S. quoted by Tippia I feel very important today.

CCP dont need to change everything to suit your play style.

Improvise, adapt and overcome!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#448 - 2013-08-31 19:01:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Best part is that I never said those words. I gave numbers on what someone with a personal fleet made shooting NPCs
Yes, well… I presumed that you meant L4s since that was the point of comparison in the earlier.

Either way, neither the source nor the number of people involved in making that ISK was what S Byerley suggested. vOv
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#449 - 2013-08-31 19:07:44 UTC
Qolde wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
Qolde wrote:
It is sort of silly to have a hauler so big and defenseless that ANYTHING you can fill it with is a bad idea. that's as broken as a 600M isk battleship that can't kill any other battleships.


A freighter full of trit is around 500M.

as was stated earlier in the thread who would be inefficient enough to haul a freighter full of trit due to mineral compression? its very evident that the ship balance has been far behind the Meta since abc's and then again when tiericide began. a full freighter is a dead freighter. not saying they should be ungankable with a full stack of estamels, but somethings gotta give


Sure, if you've got the compression set up. There's also things like ores and ice if you need to move to a refinery system, as well as fitted ships, ihubs, and their upgrades. Those are just off the top of my head.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#450 - 2013-08-31 19:10:47 UTC
I have a question..

How soon after Odyssey 1.1 hits will we see more threads like this because someone filled the specialist bay of the ships formerly known as Iterons to the brim, thus making them pinatas, with PI products/minerals/ore/ice/gas?

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#451 - 2013-08-31 19:13:01 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I have a question..

How soon after Odyssey 1.1 hits will we see more threads like this because someone filled the specialist bay of the ships formerly known as Iterons to the brim, thus making them pinatas, with PI products/minerals/ore/ice/gas?


To be safe I give it 7 days.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#452 - 2013-08-31 19:15:49 UTC
This thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#453 - 2013-08-31 19:17:18 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
This thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.

Oh the humanity. Cry
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#454 - 2013-08-31 19:18:06 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I have a question..

How soon after Odyssey 1.1 hits will we see more threads like this because someone filled the specialist bay of the ships formerly known as Iterons to the brim, thus making them pinatas, with PI products/minerals/ore/ice/gas?


To be safe I give it 7 days.


I'll give them the first day as a pass because of people playing with all sorts of new things, and all the ignorant masses showing up to complain after discovering that their indy hauler has been changed overnight.

I honestly think it will be the second day before someone comes in here screeching about how CCP painted a target on them with their 'crappy changes,' and they lost their Itty III with no tank, a festival launcher, and 40k m3 of enriched uranium.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#455 - 2013-08-31 19:18:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
This thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.

Oh the humanity. Cry


Even ISD recognizes when the thread is done and needs to be put down.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#456 - 2013-08-31 19:21:15 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lucy Hastmena wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
remind me again how it's unfair to freighter pilots that it requires over 15 pilots to kill 1 ship?

ok you dont get it, no problem i explain it again, also for the really slow thinking people like you.

This is not about a fight, this is about SUIZID gankers. There will be no Fight or something like that. There is even not a fault of the Freighter Pilot necessary like jumping into low sec or undocking during war. And of Course you dont need 15 Pilots, just one Player with ISBoxer will kill you and you dont have even the Chance to do anything. You cant warp away, you cant fit tank, you cant scout ( they bump you until their gank squad logged in) There is absolute nothing you can do about.

Tell this guy your story, guess he needs to know:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19440276


You can scout it, you can have a friend or alt web your freighter, & your giant cargohold with an engine strapped to it is the inherent tank. You can do many things to mitigate the risk of a successful suicide gank being performed, you just choose not to. You choose to be a victim.

Another good question for you, try to answer this one: If using ISboxer to scan a freighter, bump it, suicide gank it with 15 accounts then loot it with another freighter is so easy, why is literally no one doing this?



"Literally"

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#457 - 2013-08-31 19:22:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
You can use it just fine, so it's not particularly bad design. People stuffing them full of valuables is a bad decision though, but that's no different from blinging your cruiser-class mission ship up with billions worth of mods. Just because you put Estamels on your Tengu doesn't mean it is poorly designed for having so many midslots.


This exactly. Because a ship can fit modules doesn't mean it's a good idea to stuff it full of stuff other people will want.

Same with Freighters, a huge cargohold doesn't mean you can stuff it full of the most expensive stuff. It's amazing to me that people feel entitled to either bling their ships or stuff their freighters, this is a sandbox, and in sandbox games many people will jsut take what they want. Knowing that should dictate a players behavior, but it doesn't, it just makes the whine and ask for changes more.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#458 - 2013-08-31 19:23:20 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I have a question..

How soon after Odyssey 1.1 hits will we see more threads like this because someone filled the specialist bay of the ships formerly known as Iterons to the brim, thus making them pinatas, with PI products/minerals/ore/ice/gas?


To be safe I give it 7 days.


I'll give them the first day as a pass because of people playing with all sorts of new things, and all the ignorant masses showing up to complain after discovering that their indy hauler has been changed overnight.

I honestly think it will be the second day before someone comes in here screeching about how CCP painted a target on them with their 'crappy changes,' and they lost their Itty III with no tank, a festival launcher, and 40k m3 of enriched uranium.


I was going to make my personal project a highsec wide ban on "Illegal Orca's", but I might put that on hold to randomly suicide gank the changed haulers for a couple of weeks.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#459 - 2013-08-31 19:25:17 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lucy Hastmena wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
remind me again how it's unfair to freighter pilots that it requires over 15 pilots to kill 1 ship?

ok you dont get it, no problem i explain it again, also for the really slow thinking people like you.

This is not about a fight, this is about SUIZID gankers. There will be no Fight or something like that. There is even not a fault of the Freighter Pilot necessary like jumping into low sec or undocking during war. And of Course you dont need 15 Pilots, just one Player with ISBoxer will kill you and you dont have even the Chance to do anything. You cant warp away, you cant fit tank, you cant scout ( they bump you until their gank squad logged in) There is absolute nothing you can do about.

Tell this guy your story, guess he needs to know:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19440276


You can scout it, you can have a friend or alt web your freighter, & your giant cargohold with an engine strapped to it is the inherent tank. You can do many things to mitigate the risk of a successful suicide gank being performed, you just choose not to. You choose to be a victim.

Another good question for you, try to answer this one: If using ISboxer to scan a freighter, bump it, suicide gank it with 15 accounts then loot it with another freighter is so easy, why is literally no one doing this?



"Literally"


Yep, literally.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#460 - 2013-08-31 19:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Solstice Project wrote:
Conclusion:

Obviously, if i walk through the bronx in an expensive armani suite,
with a golden rolex on my wrist for everybody to see ...

... then it's totally not my fault when i get killed for that.


I know, real life analogies are bad ... but this one fits almost every time.



I 100% agree with you.

Many people don't though, they would claim that you are "blaming the victim" in this politically correct world of professional victimhood. I work in a field where I deal with victims of such events daily and I want to shake my head all the time.

In one case, on guy was mad at me and people in my line of work because "you guys are never around when we need you".....as if it were somehow our fault that he decided to leave a brand new laptop AND a tablet plus his new iphone on the front seat (in plain view, he didn't even have tinted windows) of an unlocked car in a high crime neighborhood while he shopped.