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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#401 - 2013-08-31 18:04:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Come winter if plans don't change we are going to be earning ever more if you get a kronos.

No thanks, hate battleships. Only one I would even consider using is a Macharial.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#402 - 2013-08-31 18:05:16 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Come winter if plans don't change we are going to be earning ever more if you get a kronos.


You'll need a freighter to carry all your isk around. Just be sure and only fly it for 19 minutes at a time.


I'll stick it in my gank ship because there is no risk.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#403 - 2013-08-31 18:06:03 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
I actually agree. If you're only averaging 40mil per hour in level 4s, you suck at them and should stop doing them in favor of something else.


Admittedly it's been 3 years or so since I've run a highsec mission. On the flipside my last freighter gank was a few days ago & is something that I actually know quite a lot about. The ballpark figure I gave him was based on actual averages that can be cross-referenced, but he decided to brush it off because it doesn't match his false belief on the subject which he knows almost nothing about.

I could look up exactly how much loot that Miniluv has gotten from freighter ganks & do a proper calculation, but that would take more effort than herding 35 clueless CFC people around highsec all day to gank Orca's & S Byerley just isn't worth it considering we've spent the last 20-odd pages refuting literally everything he has said.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#404 - 2013-08-31 18:07:46 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
I actually agree. If you're only averaging 40mil per hour in level 4s, you suck at them and should stop doing them in favor of something else.


Admittedly it's been 3 years or so since I've run a highsec mission. On the flipside my last freighter gank was a few days ago & is something that I actually know quite a lot about. The ballpark figure I gave him was based on actual averages that can be cross-referenced, but he decided to brush it off because it doesn't match his false belief on the subject which he knows almost nothing about.

I could look up exactly how much loot that Miniluv has gotten from freighter ganks & do a proper calculation, but that would take more effort than herding 35 clueless CFC people around highsec all day to gank Orca's & S Byerley just isn't worth it considering we've spent the last 20-odd pages refuting literally everything he has said.


Its the price we pay to help stop CCP from making another mistake.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#405 - 2013-08-31 18:07:55 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
but oh boy is it hilarious.


If you're about 12, yea.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#406 - 2013-08-31 18:08:17 UTC
S Byerley wrote:

You've somehow mistaken malleability for desperation. I have no invested interest and as such will work with whatever bizarre direction people feel like taking the thread in. However, I honestly fail to see how asking someone politely how much he makes ganking freighters is either calling for proof or unrelated to Freighter balance.


There's absolutely no mistaking your desperation. It's been in every post you've made in this thread.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#407 - 2013-08-31 18:10:16 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
but oh boy is it hilarious.


If you're about 12, yea.


One of my brothers also suicide ganks. It's a great family bonding activity.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#408 - 2013-08-31 18:12:36 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Context is important, so important that you should have actually clarified exactly what you meant at the time.


Certainly, but it's also far too easy to manipulate in this setting. You'll have to forgive me for not appropriately avoiding your context gank - poorly executed as it was.

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Your "context" started 2 pages later, when you'd already been called out on your ridiculous statement by numerous people who had checked the facts, something you neglected to do, and actually know what they're talking about.


Actually, the first person to suggest your interpretation was Tippia, to whom I responded within six minutes. The only other mentions simply asked for a specific corporation, which I was too busy avoiding gate camps to look up at the time.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#409 - 2013-08-31 18:12:58 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
I actually agree. If you're only averaging 40mil per hour in level 4s, you suck at them and should stop doing them in favor of something else.


Admittedly it's been 3 years or so since I've run a highsec mission. On the flipside my last freighter gank was a few days ago & is something that I actually know quite a lot about. The ballpark figure I gave him was based on actual averages that can be cross-referenced, but he decided to brush it off because it doesn't match his false belief on the subject which he knows almost nothing about.

I could look up exactly how much loot that Miniluv has gotten from freighter ganks & do a proper calculation, but that would take more effort than herding 35 clueless CFC people around highsec all day to gank Orca's & S Byerley just isn't worth it considering we've spent the last 20-odd pages refuting literally everything he has said.


I've never bothered to efficiently (or frequently) run level 4's, so I don't get anywhere near max, ever. I just happen to have seen other peoples' trustworthy calculations on what's possible if you want to go all in for it.

As to your gank figures, you're actually a touch lower in reality than I got by napkin-math, but then I was working on the high-end by assuming every target was a rich target, and that the loot fairy was being generous. Obviously, neither is usually the case.
Matari Akiga
Doomheim
#410 - 2013-08-31 18:13:41 UTC
S Byerley wrote:


Domanique Altares wrote:
Ladies and gentleman, we are now at that sad point in a doomed thread where a bitter clinger attempts to deflect attention from some asinine thing he said earlier, by calling for others to offer proof of something utterly and completely unrelated to the actual matter at hand.

If this were a short play, we would be well into the third act.


You've somehow mistaken malleability for desperation. I have no invested interest and as such will work with whatever bizarre direction people feel like taking the thread in. However, I honestly fail to see how asking someone politely how much he makes ganking freighters is either calling for proof or unrelated to Freighter balance.


How is the isk value of the dropped modules from a freighter wreck in any way related to freighter balance?

If you examine the amount that an individual ganker however was to make from each freighter they successfully ganked and looked at the kill mail to see the value of the cargo that was carried you would see that it is generally people who carry to much value in their freighters and do not take extra precautions that get ganked.

CCP dont need to change everything to suit your play style.

Improvise, adapt and overcome!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#411 - 2013-08-31 18:15:35 UTC
ITT Mallak Azaria graciously admits he may be wrong, meanwhile on another planet S Byerley stubbornly defends himself from all comers because he can't do the same.

There is no shame in being wrong, not being able to admit it is another matter entirely.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#412 - 2013-08-31 18:17:45 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
The ballpark figure I gave him was based on actual averages that can be cross-referenced, but he decided to brush it off because it doesn't match his false belief on the subject which he knows almost nothing about.


Your figure seems to differ from baltec's by a factor of 83; perhaps you need some inter-alliance tutorials?
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#413 - 2013-08-31 18:20:51 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
There is no shame in being wrong, not being able to admit it is another matter entirely.


The assertion that a Freighter gets ganked every twenty minutes is wrong, certainly. You'll have to take that up with Mr. Man though.

ITT Freighter gankers try to justify their 167m/hr paychecks.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#414 - 2013-08-31 18:25:24 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
The ballpark figure I gave him was based on actual averages that can be cross-referenced, but he decided to brush it off because it doesn't match his false belief on the subject which he knows almost nothing about.


Your figure seems to differ from baltec's by a factor of 83; perhaps you need some inter-alliance tutorials?

His numbers are in line with mine.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#415 - 2013-08-31 18:26:16 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
There is no shame in being wrong, not being able to admit it is another matter entirely.


The assertion that a Freighter gets ganked every twenty minutes is wrong, certainly. You'll have to take that up with Mr. Man though.

ITT Freighter gankers try to justify their 167m/hr paychecks.


Except we don't actually make that much isk from ganking freighters. You seem to be ignoring this fact.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#416 - 2013-08-31 18:26:47 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Context is important, so important that you should have actually clarified exactly what you meant at the time.

Certainly, but it's also far too easy to manipulate in this setting. You'll have to forgive me for not appropriately avoiding your context gank - poorly executed as it was.


Quote:
Your "context" started 2 pages later, when you'd already been called out on your ridiculous statement by numerous people who had checked the facts, something you neglected to do, and actually know what they're talking about.


Actually, the first person to suggest your interpretation was Tippia, to whom I responded within six minutes. The only other mentions simply asked for a specific corporation, which I was too busy avoiding gate camps to look up at the time.

They were asking for a specific corporation because the usual suspects killboards and figures didn't match up to your claim. Tippia may have been the first to openly dispute it, but he certainly wasn't the first to call you out on it.

Your post had no context attached, therefore my context gank never happened, you ganked yourself.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#417 - 2013-08-31 18:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Domanique Altares
S Byerley wrote:

ITT Freighter gankers try to justify their ... paychecks.


Justify it to who? Fools and their money are soon parted; operate a freighter like a fool, and you're going to lose it, and whatever is inside of it. Someone is going to benefit from that. It requires no justification.

edit: Brevity. Also, how much they may or may not make is irrelevant to freighter balance, but is a function of how much crap was inside the freighter.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#418 - 2013-08-31 18:29:25 UTC
Who is Mr. Man? and why is he the person I should take things up with?

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#419 - 2013-08-31 18:29:37 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
They were asking for a specific corporation because the usual suspects killboards and figures didn't match up to your claim. Tippia may have been the first to openly dispute it, but he certainly wasn't the first to call you out on it.


Perhaps they should have clarified the context of their question.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#420 - 2013-08-31 18:31:29 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
S Byerley wrote:

ITT Freighter gankers try to justify their ... paychecks.


Justify it to who? Fools and their money are soon parted; operate a freighter like a fool, and you're going to lose it, and whatever is inside of it. Someone is going to benefit from that. It requires no justification.

edit: Brevity. Also, how much they may or may not make is irrelevant to freighter balance, but is a function of how much crap was inside the freighter.


If you'd like to come full circle, I'd having trouble filling a Freighter up with anything while not making it profitable to gank.