EVE General Discussion

Its still alive?

why not he/she pays 15 dollars a month to have fun, not grind, makes me almost not want to pay for this game

I was thinking about this today, and compared it to other games.

The questing and exploring in other games has ranged from boring to very fun. Boring would be, instanced dungeons with predicable loot that were made for leveling your character or getting standard gear. In most cases the difficulty is what you choose and scales based on your character strength. This is how Eve does it.
The next would be a very challenging dungeon that has a very high level fixed npcs and bosses, a feeling of exploration and discovery as you push forward, and are unsure of what to expect. What makes these dungeons/complexes more challenging in other games is the use of terrain to enhance the exploration experience. In Eve you technically zone into a giant black space and can see all the bosses and challenges right away.

Imagine being INSIDE a giant asteroid, and you had to fly very slowly and peek around corners of massive caverns and explore and assess how you proceed and take into account environment during exploring, you could send your tank around the corner to a dangerous AOE damage environment while your logis stay back out of line of sight and off overview to the enemy. Every games I've played takes environment into account, in both pvp and pve settings, but Eve does not. Imagine a battlefield where there were cloud of gas that hindered movement or even acted as fixed ewar generator, imagine if you could actually use ships as human shields to absorb incoming damage, what if you broke line of sight behind a giant asteroid and your target was lost. These environmental effects would add an enormous amount of replay ability to missions, and make pvp more enjoyable. Other games, even really old ones have done it.

How this would be implemented, who knows? I'm very bored with eve and am unsubscribing, but will keep a close watch for changes and things that might bring be back in the future.



The next idea is one about player vs player missions. This would be in essence an arena for small gangs to fight each other. It would be very similar to missions as they are now, but add - a 10 million isk cap on the ships and modules that can enter, an amount of players on each side, variables that the players can change such as the npc support ships that tag along aggressively or defensively. Make an interesting mission objective that isn't "kill all enemy ships" and let the players fight it out for rewards, give each side scaled rewards based on a dynamic mission objective. Objectives like - Defend this structure for as long as you can, during this mission, 3-5 players would be bombarded by increasing numbers of npc ships and enemy players, in smaller less expensive ships, and the mission is to protect a power core for as long as possible while escape pods are loaded. The protecting ships will certainly be over run and die at some point in the mission but the reward they get scales upon the time they defend.

These missions wouldn't even give rewards that are higher than other activities in eve, so you wouldn't really have to worry about exploiting. By assigning anyone who wants the ability to take part in the mission, you also reduce the ability of people to "queue with their friends" on the enemy team and exploit for isk/lp.

I would be in love with Eve if it had these changes, but as it stands I get bored so easily :(:(:(

Sounds like you want sov warfare, but without the inconvenient part where people bring in more people than you

Sov warfare sounds fun, but it's so bulky, and slow paced, and takes so much investment I don't think I would be personally interested. the reward of fun isn't there, some people might like it though

The way I see it, the prime reason PVE sucks is that it's quite repeatable. Everything is mapped out with perfect optimal builds set up so you can run every mission/incursion/what have you with minimum fuss and maximum profit.

Part of making PVE content fun would be upping the risk involved in running the missions, and..honestly, we all know where that would go. Running an actual risk of ship/pod loss when flying the optimal build would cause so much ranting on the forums, it'd be funny.

Just take a look at the drone changes, or the agro "bug" that happened. People tossed a conniption because they couldn't use the mission guides. There was an actual risk of ship loss.

Me, I'd love to see things like random room triggers in missions, NPCs that go for pods, and damage type mixups. toss web/scrams on all sorts of different rats. Scale up the difficulty with beltrats. You know that faction you're pissing off, running missions? Yeah, they just located you, and it's hot-drop o'clock while you're trying to rescue the Damsel.

Sadly, I just don't think that can, or will happen. It's up to us, the players, to make PVE more interesting.

Losing a ship to PVE is easier than you seem to think. I've certainly lost more ships to PVE than non-consensual PVP. I would however agree that MJD's make a lot of PVE too ****-up proof.



The problem is not that missioners need a crutch, the problem is that mission guides are necessary in the first place - it comes back to a lack of telegraphing. Warping someone into an insta-tackle or dropping a bunch of ships on them with no telegraph isn't the kind of difficulty that makes games fun - it's more of an artificially imposed chance of loss.



Me too.



As long as it's telegraphed like pvp - have the cyno npc show up on dscan, for example.

Much of the "PVE" in the game is really simulated PVP. NPCs are fake people. Engaging them is a sort of simulation of ship combat with real people. Things like mining, hauling, scanning, scouting, building/deploying/destroying infrastructure, these are the real PVE content in the game. Killing NPCs is just PVP against really bad players.

With actual PVE, there tend to be multiple solutions to a problem. Think about the problem of crossing a river: Do you swim? Do you build a bridge? Do you build a boat? Where do you cross?
With NPCs, there's really only one choice, to kill them.

So, some resolution might come in answering the question: Do you want more and better simulated PVP or more actual PVE?

This.